androgynouscloudmoon

Ah okay, we have different priorities that I didn't initially consider, my bad. I personally no longer think it's worth bothering trying to manage the right's views. However, I do organizing in youth (~18-24) spaces and see a lot of people saying what boils down to "I want to organize, but keep to myself because what if I say something wrong and get canceled?" and it frustrates me since they regularly quote the phrase "tone policing" as they say it. It's probably like a sleeper activation phrase to me at this point and I got annoyed.

There needs to be a diversity of tactics, so even though I won't do it, I hope you and yours can successfully stop more people from falling into this trap.

I understand what you're saying, but this is an issue that mostly exists between (don't like this term much but can't think of a better one) extremely terminally-online leftists who do not organize.

Going offline, this is generally just not an issue, the orgs filled with people who just argue over theory also don't do much and shouldn't be listened to. It's a large movement and there are bound to be people who are unfortunately less effective.

I didn't bother discussing how online leftist infighting affects real life, it's not relevant compared to, say, the much realer issue of left-orgs blowing up because of, say, someone being outed as a sex pest or someone slandering someone they don't like anymore (which isn't an issue only relegated to the left, the right does this way more often)

US left is way too disorganized, but this isn't because of """tone policing""" (no you cannot say slurs) or debating the specifics of ideals (of course the right doesn't do this, they have no ideals, don't copy the child rapists).

It's because of, among other things, a decades-long operation to systemically crack communities, down to there being basically no infrastructure to even meet up at except the library or church, and also to keep everyone so exhausted and distracted they don't bother trying.

Solving problem #1 is harder but problem #2 involves communicating with people locally who you can actually work with (marginalized groups aren't going to work with violent bigots, if this annoys you, talk to the bigots yourself) and joining local orgs to meet needs – rent/utilities assistance, building community toolboxes and fridges, generally moving people away from "barely surviving" so they can actually develop an interest in leftist ideals

All 3 are based off denying people bodily and relationship autonomy, so really you repeat yourself here

Offering a different viewpoint here: a LOT of people have been directly harmed by religious institutions, which is why there's such a viciously negative reaction at times.

"Reddit Athiest"-type Sky Daddy isn't real, cultist freak stuff isn't helpful, obviously, but a lot of it is knee-jerk hate responses to the concept of spirituality because they or someone they know was genuinely harmed by a church or a religious person at some point, and when this happens it frequently goes unaddressed. I would suggest blocking instead of engaging if it really offends you, as this kind of person usually isn't evil, and getting into arguments won't change any minds.

There are no minors holding EU office, anything being done in the name of "kid-friendliness" is actually advertiser-friendly, minors are a convenient scapegoat with basically no political power who can be leveraged to curtail everyone's rights

Reminder that it's a news org's job to find and report facts, instead of writing more about the new nonsense coming out of the mouths of science deniers. Obviously this is logistically impossible and just another "THEY ALMOST HAVE NUKES!!" excuse to bomb Iranians ffs

A single Lemmy user does not represent a massive movement involving millions of people and you know it.

You don't want to have proof, you want to slander People Who Do Things by saying that random internet users are the reason for American Fascism, instead of acknowledging that: a) most Palestinian activists voted for Harris (you can see statistics on this, instead of the anecdotes you claim as "proof") b) like most campaigns, the Harris campaign lost (to an idiot fascist, no less!) because it failed to convince the majority of voters (who aren't activists at all, but politically apathetic) to vote for it.

You do not care, though, you want to scapegoat and blame anyone except for your favorite genocidal politicians and fascists for the current state of the US, despite the fact this has been building for decades. You are someone who would've comfortably ignored most problems under Harris, and are more offended that you might be personally affected by oppression this time, instead of reading about it on the news and shrugging. This is fine; what is not fine is blaming people who decried such oppression then and now, who are far more serious about handling fascism than you, someone who thinks resistance is when you cry about losing useless neoliberal #1000 (nowhere to be seen right now, BTW) on the internet instead of Doing Things.

You claim to care about "echoing MAGA bullshit" but echo their lack of giving a shit for people who are suffering under Your Team. To say there are Palestine supporters who have bad ideas is like saying there are liberals who have bad ideas! Wow, some people in these massive movements are dumb!? My goodness, clearly they are all responsible for Trump! Time to not reflect on the systems I support whatsoever!

You have, interestingly enough, searched for a random Lemmy user that neither I nor you can verify as anyone at all, and decided they are the Avatar of Palestinian Activists™. If I wanted to waste your time I could easily find a Harris deadend account on any website who says heinous things and ask why they are clearly Literally You.

Meanwhile, you have neglected to mention how the comment of "where did the activists go??" is stupid and easily disproven by existing in reality. Why did you do this?

This is true, but to float a counterpoint: the "on stolen land" is a direct counter to white-supremacist ideas that settler-colonies such as the US are and have always been "white countries", and those are the usual type of people calling immigrants "illegals".

People who want a free Palestine don't and have never supported Trump, I don't know why liberals keep parroting this.

Also "where are they" in the anti-ICE actions and similar movements (plenty in No Kings), you can easily see Palestine flags and the like if you actually paid attention to local movements

Edgy TV shows don't affect my beliefs that slurs are bad, and they shouldn't affect yours either.