Skavau

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[–] Skavau@piefed.social 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Given that instance admins do not run communities on their instances necessarily, and that they don't control other instances - I don't know how you would expect to do this. Nor appreciate of the negatives of embedding such power into the threadiverse structure.

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I am not an alt of the dev. I'm just piefed.social staff.

And again, this has nothing to do with Piefed. That's all I'm saying. The user got banned from some communities by a lemmy.world mod. The lemmy.world mod banned both their lemmy and piefed accounts. They are just wrong when they are blaming some systems in Piefed. Why would Piefed randomly ban a piefed account from 5 lemmy.world based communities? How could it even do that?

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 7 points 2 days ago

Why are you doing this to yourself?

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago

Yes, you don't have to interact in a community to be banned from it. Unfortunately, and I am not judging here because I don't know you - but the moderator of those communities pre-emptively banned you. It had nothing to do with Piefed. They also banned your Lemmy account.

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Yes, the community mod clearly recognised you and banned you. I know who it is.

Are you claiming piefed.blahaj banned you exclusively from 5 lemmy.world based communities?

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

https://lemmy.world/modlog?userId=18683587

If this is your piefed account, and I assume it is, I am literally looking at the communities you were banned from. They are all Lemmy.world based communities. Why would a Piefed instance ban you from Lemmy.world communities? How is it you imagine this even works?

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

So structurally I don’t have an answer other than I know that what reddit became is a cancer. Structurally lemmy should find ways to counter commercialization

By design it already has done this via having no specific singular owner being able to control it.

. One way is to avoid boxes. Communities should be more random and chaotic.

I feel like this up to community owners. You can't make people run communities how they don't want to to bring about a specific vibe you want.

I also would push to the mods should take a back seat and give back control to communities to upvote and downvotes content they do not want to see.

This has the potential to make many communities complete rubbish. I will use a Reddit example. Take r/metal. Without any moderation, the community would be nothing but nothing but posts of Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Megadeth, Metallica, Slayer, etc forever. Because people just upvote music they already know, all the highly popular artists are always upvoted by people who pass by the subreddit. The moderators, in conjunction with the community implemented a popular artist blacklist (voted on in threads and updated every quarter) to stop that and provide much better coverage for lesser-known bands making it a much more valuable, less low-effort community. That's just one example I can immediately appeal to here.

Without curation, many communities would degrade over time and become slop.

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That’s the problem. You don’t know. To me it is obvious. But to you everything is fine so why change it. Lemmy shouldn’t be a reddit like alternative.

I mean structurally. I'm still not sure what you're getting at here.

And I never said the Threadiverse is perfect (I'm not using Lemmy by the way).

Are you still on reddit? If you left, what made you leave.

I still use Reddit. It has the audience for many niches topics that the Threadiverse simply doesn't have.

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

I don't really know how a Reddit-like alternative would have to present and function to you in order for you to not consider it compromised in such a way.

I don't even know precisely what you mean by "boxxed" in this context.

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Late here, but in this particular case someone using Lemmy spotted a new Piefed account with a username they don't trust and banned them. It had nothing to do with Piefed admin tools or Piefed itself. The communities the user was banned from are based on Lemmy.world.

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 0 points 2 days ago

No, lemmy-based communities banned that user. It had nothing to do with Piefed or even bot detection.

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 0 points 2 days ago

The bans the user above is referring to took place on lemmy communities. Piefed as software had nothing to do with it.

 

I posted about this issue a week ago:

Currently, instance bans and community bans are treated as two separate things. When a user is banned from an instance, you’ll often see in the logs a bunch of community bans alongside it at once (at least from Lemmy communities). These are communities that user has posted on. An instance ban automatically applies hard-bans to communities they have interacted in from that instance. But the problem here is its only communities they’ve interacted in.

The instance ban itself is simply a rejection of federation. It doesn’t block users from posting in communities on that instance - only the community bans do that. It just means their posts won’t federate out. This means that an instance banned user can continue to be a nuisance in most communities (or all, if they are pre-emptively banned) on an instance locally - and the moderators of that community and instance won’t even know because they don’t view their community from there. With larger numbers of users would also mean larger amounts of trolls and incompatible users, which could greatly increase the chance of people simply vandalising communities and no-one even noticing.

Lemmy 1.0 promises to fix this apparently from their end, but I think at least for as Piefed is concerned we could get in on this first. We need a hard block on all Piefed accounts from being to interact on any community that is from an instance they are bannedfrom. We also need a way before that for Piefed based communities to automatically throw out all comments made even locally by instance banned accounts based from Lemmy.

It's now been implemented on the latest piefed. A Piefed user instance banned from anywhere will now be hard-banned from all communities on that instance to prevent them from being a local menace unbeknownst the moderators of those communtiies. But all Piefed instances need to update.

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Steve Huffman, Reddit's CEO, said that using biometrics is the "most lightweight way" to verify that it's a human.

 

!television@piefed.social

I just checked out this community from lemmy.world and found that it has half of the subscribers it has as viewed on piefed.social (3.6k vs. 1.7k). Something happened. On closer investigation, it seems that almost all piefed.social subscribers have been purged - so I'm doing some advertisement to try and rebuild. I have also pinged rimu.

This does not seem to be affecting other piefed.social communities.

 

Digg's officially launched now for about a month and it's... really underwhelming.

The "Most Dugg" posts by upvotes as of this post:

+110, +107, +89, +86, +84, +84, +79, +79 (roughly in the last 24 hours)

As compared to Lemmy/Piefed/Mbin as seen on Lemmy.world (Top in last 24 hours):

+1.22k, +952, +855, +751, +669, +646, +620, +612

That's really poor from Digg honestly.

 

Just curious. I think the odds have gone up quite a bit, and if that happens, we'd potentially see a glut of people. I'm sure they must be watching this.

 

Just thought I'd note this. Main beneficiary so far seems to be piefed.ca.

 

It was recently renamed to Stoat after a cease and desist letter over the name. Link here

I once tried it a year ago when known as Revolt when browsing for Discord alternatives. It wasn't great then, but it's improved somewhat since then since then. It's technically a centralised platform, albeit people can self-host it themselves if they wanted to. It's fairly well designed and closer to Discord parity than any other alternative I've seen (whilst Discord does have some cool stuff, a lot of its excess is completely slop that can be ignored). I'd personally prefer a federated Discord - but we don't seem to be anywhere close to that soon. "Roomy" for Bluesky is at the very beginning of its development.

I know some people here use Matrix, but it hasn't really taken off for general usage outside of Instance Meta chats - and I personally find it to be quite a cumbersome and sometimes buggy client that really isn't designed like Discord.

It's a bit frustrating that we have a lot of development of Reddit alternatives now via Piefed and Lemmy, but a true Discord alternative a long-way away.

 

Yeah, I still use Reddit alongside the fediverse for certain community types and topics where the Fediverse lacks. I'm not one to usually share this type of thing, as it can come across as whiny - but this one to me is absurd.

So I recently made a post here regarding a conclusion I had made concerning the hive and what they would do if asked. I made the thread specifically as a response to those across the website who claim that what a specific character within the show is doing is acceptable because the hive consents to him doing it. If you go and read the topic, you can see what my argument was by the replies.

At no point was I intimating that the hypothetical was a good thing, and even expressedly said it would be awful multiple times (that would be awful was the specific point of my post) - but by the show's logic, it would happen. It was meant as a challenge to those who defend this character and how they rationalise and justify his conduct.

Someone reported the post and it got removed. I have appealed this and it was upheld. Here's the message from Reddit.

So I am very much not happy about being smeared as a predator by Reddits reporting system.

 

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I think QoL tools for moderators need to become more of a Fediverse priority. This burns people out. Key moderators of communities quit and communities become abandoned.

Ideas :

  • Automatic removal option to remove posts and/or comments for specific keywords. This would be most useful for automatically removing posts and comments when people slur. Piefed already has a keyword filter for visibility. This could be expanded to community settings. Have it also fire-off a report to the moderators when someone triggers it.
  • Automatic URL removal. Allow communities to blacklist specific urls. Useful for politics or news communities that want to negate sources known for misinformation.
  • Automatic removal for repeat URL posting. Very useful for politics or news communities to prevent double-posting.
  • Make it so a community can set itself up to only accept text posts, video posts, or image posts. This should prevent tedious janitorial cleanup for communities that only allow links, or text posts (the most common two).
  • Post Delay Restrictions. Some communities, perhaps not many, might be interested in posting cooldowns for users. So you can only post 1 post every hour, or 2 posts every hour - or whatever the chosen limit is. This would help negate spammers and over-enthusiastic posters flooding a topical community.
  • Post Formatting Requirements. This one could be trickier and more effort than most of the others, but setting conditions for the formatting of new posts would be useful.

Now, not all communities would make use or have any need to make use of all of these - but many would to varying degrees - and it would help them.

I think going down this road is important to prevent moderators burning out over the drudgery of moderating communities.

 

Obviously a few years ago, the API changes caused the reddit community mods to strike, and caused a mass-blackout of most reddit core communities. Eventually Reddit removed a handful of mod teams on some notable subreddits and caused the rest to chicken-out. But it did birth the Fediverse properly.

I suspect Reddit will make another step at some point which causes another comparable exodus. This time, if they do, the Fediverse is far better developed to handle it. What do you imagine it might be?

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Piefed 1.2 is released (piefed.social)
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