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Donald Trump and Volodymyr Zelenskyy have sat down for a face-to-face talk in the opulent halls of a Vatican basilica to discuss a possible ceasefire, after which the US president accused his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, of not wanting to “stop the war”.

The White House described Trump’s meeting with the Ukrainian leader before Pope Francis’s funeral as “very productive”, while Zelenskyy said on X that the talk with the US president was symbolic and had the “potential to become historic, if we achieve joint results”.

It was the first time that Zelenskyy and Trump had met face to face after a frosty February encounter in the White House where Trump and the US vice-president, JD Vance, berated the Ukrainian leader and accused him of ingratitude for US aid.

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 0 points 11 months ago (3 children)

tapping me along

Anyone got a trump-to-english conversion for this one?

[–] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

When you get tapped along, it'll make your covfefe hamberders yippy.

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[–] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It's amazing how this man's brain is so feeble that he just fully believes what the last person he met with him tells him.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago

I believe that in the medical community this is called Joe Rogan's Disease

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I need to see this play out like a heist movie. Two opposing advisors are battling each other to get their idea in his head for the big speech. They get into some zany hijinks trying to be the last to speak to him. Some real spy vs spy stuff.

[–] SGforce@lemmy.ca 0 points 11 months ago

Inception of the stupid. Written, Directed and Produced by the Coen Brothers.

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 0 points 11 months ago (13 children)

Is he seriously just realizing Vlad doesn't want to end the war? I really can’t tell when he’s an idiot or colluding these days

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

What is the strategic advantage for Russia for continuing the war?

[–] obbeel@lemmy.eco.br 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If I had to guess (my knowledge is a couple of geopolitics books), I'd say Russia wants to create a rift between East and West that is beneficial to China as well. China helped Russia build a quantum computer recently and there are more clues that they're getting even closer together. I think Russia wants to shake the current world order.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why does maintaining a war, which consumes resources, laborers, and focus/attention, and also creates security threats, be beneficial to to Russia for shaking the current world order?

[–] obbeel@lemmy.eco.br 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Russia has been cut out from the West, it couldn't even participate in the Olympics. So it got closer to China. Its economy is resilient despite the war. Russia has also been the leading country in the BRICS in regard to finding an alternative to the dollar together with Brazil. And it is working to ditch SWIFT (the banking system). So I'd say Russia is pretty interested into getting away from the West, at least economically and politically.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why does staying at war on Ukraine advance these aims?

[–] obbeel@lemmy.eco.br 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Because it deepens the rift. Donald Trump as president also helps Putin a lot, as the russian president have said before, since Trump also wants to shake things up. As could be seen by his tariff policies.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

How does continuing the war deepen the rift? Clearly it strengthens the resolve of European countries to develop their militaries and build alliances.

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[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It’s for Putin he can’t possibly admit defeat. Plus they’re probably banking on the US abandoning Ukraine and the EU not mobilizing aid fast enough. Ukraine is in a rougher spot than they’re letting on, though victory is certainly still possible.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So you're saying that Putin is behaving irrationally and emotionally based on ego?

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I mean…I’m sure that factors in…? But I certainly didn’t boil it down to something that simplistic. There are a lot of reasons he can’t admit defeat.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Is it because Russia hasn't been defeated, maybe?

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Didn’t stop them from retreating from Afghanistan did it?

What’s your deal?

Edit: to the downvoters feel free to keep at it 🖕 we know what makes you bootlickers cheer

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You said Putin cannot admit defeat for some reason and I asked if the reason he cannot admit defeat is because Russia has not been defeated yet.

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Not interested in debating with someone who will likely eventually reveal they think Putin is justified/right. Unless you’re willing to say right here that Russia is an aggressor nation and that the nation, along with its authoritarian leader Putin, is completely in the wrong, I’m not continuing this conversation.

You’re being cute and dancing around with your “just asking questions” nonsense to avoid explicitly saying what you believe. Enough bait, be direct. Say what you want to say or piss off.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Nah, I just wanted to show you and everyone else that you're an irrational person who is driven by emotional delusions. I'm not going to respond to a petulant demand that I morally align with you under the threat that you'll take your ball and go home. You can just disengage.

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[–] nohaybanda@hexbear.net 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I'm guessing they're fruitlessly trying to use the Socratic method to make you critically examine the wild claims you're making. Even if a victory for Ukraine were still possible as you say, this in no way means Putin is all but defeated and just hiding it. The Russians are not "banking" on Trump pulling back from Ukraine or the EU being unable to meaningfully contribute - both of those things were fully expected a year ago and we can clearly observe right now. Waging a bloody war of attrition until a more favorable geopolitical situation arrives is precisely the stratagem at play here, and is certainly not what losing looks like.

Unless you’re willing to say right here that Russia is an aggressor nation and that the nation, along with its authoritarian leader Putin, is completely in the wrong,

Y'all get that this isn't a cartoon, right? Finding out who the "bad guy" is doesn't mean they're going to lose. Every single one of these things you wrote can be true about Putin and Russia and it still wouldn't budge the situation on the ground at all, your condemnation isn't magic. You can certainly take your ball and leave if you don't want to talk to people with a different analysis, but you can't go to Narnia.

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

that sure was a lot of words to not answer the question. If you’re going to interject on the other dude’s behalf than I expect an answer as well. If not, kindly leave me alone. Thanks.

[–] nohaybanda@hexbear.net 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm sorry, I'll only discuss my true feelings on geopolitics with people who declare for proletarian revolution and call for a protracted people's war against global Capital along Maoist third-worldist lines.

Fuck outa here, dipshit. Engange or disengage, your call. I couldn't tell you where the block person button is, never used it in the five years I've had this account, but I'm sure you already know. Feel free to crawl back to whatever hugbox you usually inhabit and brag how you karate-chopped a battalion of Putin's strongest cyborg posters or something.

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Oh don’t worry you answered the question just fine. You could’ve done it with like 10% of the words, I don’t know what all that pretentious gibberish was about. But you do you my dude! Don’t let anyone tell you how to communicate 👍

[–] boboblaw@hexbear.net 0 points 11 months ago

Do you condemn ~~Hamas~~ Russia?

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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

If you can't tell whether Trump is an idiot, then sorry I can't help you.

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 0 points 11 months ago

No no he is an idiot but not everything he does is because he’s an idiot.

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[–] BrinkBreaker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I wonder [not to give him any credit] if DJT would be a better president if he were surrounded by actual decent people that were earnest/honest. It feels like it could be in the realm of possibility that he's treating the Ukraine/Russia conflict the way he has simply because the people around him are only giving him a specific narrative surrounding it. Either intentionally, incidentally, due to incompetence or sycophantic attempts to "please" trump.

Maybe this is the first time getting it from Ukraine's point of view, unfiltered.

Doesn't change/nor justify his shitty behavior, but... it makes a kind of sense.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It wouldn't surprise me. We are a product of our environment, and Trump is a very clear example of that. He tends to mimic and amplify whoever he thinks is the strongest/most powerful around him. He's a LeFou in constant search of a Gaston.

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[–] Franklin@lemmy.ca 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Something odd is happening with the right, seems like they're trying to hedge their bets for blowback.

Trump definitely knew this all along, to say this now seems like damage control.

Then earlier this week Rogan calling out the deportations to El Salvador without a trial, saying it was an overcorrection to the left that has gone too far.

I wonder if the American people will buy it.

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Its weirder than that, had someone on lemmy try to convince me that deportations, purity tests and fascism are all far left policies. Its like they're trying to shift all their own shit onto some imaginary other.

[–] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It’s a common take that the left are fascists because we …want LGBTQ+ etc to be accepted. Fucking bizarre.

[–] NotBillMurray@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

Hey hey, we also want people not to starve or go into horrific debt because of medical issues. Super clear indicators of fascism or something.

[–] BigRigButters@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Those are all bidens/obama polices tho

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[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 11 months ago

They are all fascist policies that the US "left" (a.k.a. liberals/Democrats) support

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[–] BigRigButters@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago

lol this dood is such an idiot

[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

Scene: DJT standing awkwardly at a table. Beside him, sitting on the floor is Vladimir Putin with his Entire Arm shoved up DJT's ass.

DJT: I'm starting to think Putin might be manipulating me.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 0 points 11 months ago

A rare lucid moment

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Trump should know how to recognize tapping people along, it's one of his signature moves, right up there with tax fraud, stiffing creditors and strategic bankruptcy.

[–] Wazowski@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago
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