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[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Leela: You'll never pardon anybody because you'll never get elected president. The voters of Earth aren't the pea-brained idiots they were back in your time.

Nixon: Oh, no? Well, listen here, missy. Computers may be twice as fast as they were in 1973 but your average voter is as drunk and stupid as ever. The only one who's changed is me. I've become bitter and, let's face it, crazy over the years. And once I'm swept into office, I'll sell our children's organs to zoos for meat and I'll go into people's houses at night and wreck up the place.

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[–] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

So Trump is telling ICE to break the law? It looks like Trump is guilty of another crime.

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Who's gonna fuckin stop em??

They just arrested a judge. The only people who've been able to slow this roll.

What do you think happens next...?

The entire Armed Forces and Judicial Branch of the Executive is cronies from the Cabinet and AG down. If they feel like it they'll mobilize militias to do their work for them.

Citizen cops. Watch out. You may not hate cops now, but you'll understand what's been wrong with the whole system real soon. "Good cops" will be placeholders for men favorable to the regime. They will be corrupted.

Bribes will become commonplace in day-to-day business. This will often feel counterproductive. That's because it is.

Odds are this will play out quietly. Unless the Military does a surprise one, the Democrats aren't putting forward anything capable of challenging the regime. Sorry AOC and Bernie, I love you but Coachella ain't gonna cut it.

Build federated networks in your own life. The model applies. Organize horizontally not vertically/hierarchically. Find people making choices and doing things and help them.

Added predictions: the US invades Panama (again). Ukraine drags out. Recession settles in, staved off by markets hungry for short-term gains looted from Latin America, Ukraine, probably both. Probably around September a major bubble pops in the US stock market no matter what the tariff situation ends up being. Things get worse. Edit: Panama invasion may come as a result of this

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 0 points 1 year ago

So far breaking the law hasn’t bit him yet. Why should he start following it now?

[–] kingofras@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Susan Collins just called: said he learned his lesson and it won’t happen again.

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[–] PineRune@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

It's not a crime if there's nobody left to uphold the law.

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[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

It sounds like we should prepare for a rash of home invasion shootings. (I'm not promoting anything, just saying)

[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hey ICE, if the President tells you to do something illegal, you don’t do it! You can still be held liable.

Is it really that hard to have ethics anymore?

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

ICE doesn't care. They're obviously enjoying being able to do what theyve been doing the past few months.

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[–] AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The things is based on their legal interpretation of the constitution, the people chose the president to uphold law and order and do what's best for the people. If the president determines this is what is necessary in order to protect the people from terrorists, his legal team will argue for a constitutional interpretation that says individual liberty is always secondary to the common good.

Just to be clear, this is not what I believe or support. This is what they will argue. I am writing this to try and warn people what they have in mind when they talk about constitutional interpretation

[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Right, and history shows that these are major mistakes that always have consequences.

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[–] 50501chicago@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

the supreme court gets to decide this. And considering some of the recent rulings about due process, I am hopeful.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

But how are they going to enforce it? They’ve enforced 0 rulings so far. Trump has been publicly mocking them while defying their orders

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[–] Gerudo@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

And they will claim they are in their right to return force. Idk what to tell you. I agree this is fucked up and you should have a right to defend your home.

That is the most basic American shit. The people that are on the white house legal team agree with that unless it conflicts with executive authority. To me that seems like you might as well have a king at that point, but they believe that a leader is chosen to promote what is best for his people. Given he was elected to do that, law and order (which is up to the leaders interpretation) takes presedence over liberty.

Adrian Vermeule is a Harvard constitutional law professor who has been making the argument the constitution should be interpreted to favor executive authority and power over individual liberty for a very long time.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In a more just world, our local police forces would stop this illegal activity.

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Our local cops owe their authority to the State

I have a hard time imagining a world with cops at all that don't end up doing this

[–] AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

They are supposed to have some freedom from the state within their own city/county jurisdiction, but small government loving members of the GOP are trying to do away with that and force cities and counties to adopt state policy(which is often just federal policy).

My state AG is taking my parish to court over it this Wednesday

If you heard about the 2 year old that was just deported by ICE last week, that was also my state/parish.

[–] AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

That's probably why states are trying to force local police to take on the role of ICE.

My city has what the governor and AG are calling "sanctuary city policy."

Really the sheriff has just said they do not take a stance, but they don't have the resources to handle the immigration responsibility the state wants them to take on. So the AG is wasting tax dollars bringing them to court this Wednesday to try and force the community to adopt federal policy.

How bout that small government and fiscal responsibility?

[–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

ICE is a criminal organization.

All cops are bastards and most are working with them

[–] PineRune@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

A Terrorist organization.

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[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gee I wonder what Americans tend to do to trespassers.

[–] AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I agree, but realistically there's an entire private and public military behind this administration they could use against the people whenever they feel necessary.

The same people that argue what JD Vance does about the interpretation of the constitution not allowing for judicial decisions to supercede executive, also argue that it is up to an executive leader to uphold good/law and order as he sees fit. When it comes down to it, liberty is secondary to whatever the leader determines is necessary to maintain law and order.

Adrian Vermeule is a Harvard constitutional law professor who has been making the argument favoring executive authority and power over liberty for a very long time.

[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree with you, I just mean there's a lot of Americans with guns, that have and are usually prepared to shoot people on their property. Whether they get in trouble? Idk depends if they figure out how to organize in time.

I just hope sometimes

[–] AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

An angry group of civilians would not stand much of a chance against an entire military/police force.

In addition to the entire military/national guard, state police, you also have Palantir and blackwater now on the side of the government

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

It worked in Vietnam and Afghanistan.

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[–] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

So if they break into my home, I can shoot ‘em, right?

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Ethically, yes. Legally, they'll just kill you.

[–] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good, I don’t want to live in a fascist hellscape anyway.

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[–] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's my plan. Just upgraded my front door gun to something with a higher fire rate.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is it aimed at your front door, or is the actual door a gun somehow?

[–] PineRune@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In America, we make most things out of Gun™ for convenience.

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[–] 50501chicago@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (13 children)

So here is what I think. When you own a gun, you have to get a permit , right? (I believe so in all states). So you are on a registry. Trump knows who has guns and who doesn't. Being the coward that he is, he will go after the most vulnerable people first.
This is his whole thing. Trafficking U.S citizens who are toddlers is first. Then hes going to expand like hes been doing.

But back to gun ownership. He is gonna avoid homes with guns. At least at first. Just having a gun registered is going to deter him from sending in ICE or homeland. I think we already would have seen some gun violence with ICE at this point if he wasn't intentionally having them avoiding gun owned homes.

I suggest, even if you are anti-gun or have no interest in owning a firearm. go ahead and get one now. Store it properly. Learn to use it properly and safely. But have it. Have a record you have it.

But I acknowledge this could bite you in the ass later. He may later give weapons to ICE and tell them when the house has a gun and tell them to go in shooting. Idk. Its hard to predict at this point. Still seems like getting a firearm is a good choice right now.

Rifles are more accurate than handguns. Slower to load but also do more damage. Less likely to be used for mass shootings or suicide. So rifles are probably the better choice. You could aim for a lower limb for injuring someone and be less likely to shoot them somewhere vital.

shotguns also not a terrible option. You can always do rocksalt shells. Not 100% non-lethal but typically less lethal than bullets. Shot guns best for closer range and they scatter. Precision aim not as necessary.

I am from the country where a lot of my family hunts (though I never did). I might be biased for rifles because to me they seem like the only gun that most people should even have.

There are also non lethal options tasers and gel pepper spray (gel kind only, dont use regular spray kind as its likely to go back to you).

As a non-violent person, i feel crazy for writing this stuff. but i also believe in being prepared. I mean, I carry pepper spray on myself when I am out walking at night by myself (I am a woman). Never thought in a million years I would be saying "get a gun to protect yourself from the government". but my god, here we are.

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[–] ninjabard@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Hmm. Stand your ground against fascism.

[–] ilmagico@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is the actual reason why there is a 2nd amendment

[–] AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

They believe the constitution should be interpreted to uphold the will of a leader/law and order over liberty of the people.

I'm not saying I disagree with you, just telling you what the legal argument will likely be when they arrest people or return force when people try to defend their home.

That argument JD Vance made about judges not having the authority to rule against executive decision is not his original argument. Adrian Vermeule is a Harvard constitutional law professor who has been making the argument favoring unchecked executive authority over all other government and executive power over liberty for a very long time.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Let's fuck 'em up then.

[–] dzso@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Law and order? What are you smoking?

[–] AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Trump has always described himself as the law and order president

The argument of ivy league legal scholars that are helping run his administration is that the people elected the president. The president's duty is to do what he believes is best to protect the greatest number of people.

If Trump says that this is law now, and this law is necessary to protect the country, then individual liberty and rights will have to be secondary for the good of the country

The Harvard constitutional law professor that created this legal theory is a huge fan of Carl Schmitt.

Schmitt created the Nazi legal agenda using a similar legal argument which argued the will of the leader should be placed above all written law because it was best for Germany, making the German constitution basically useless.

This allowed Hitler to legally carry out genocide.

[–] dzso@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Thank you for explaining, and yes, I get all of that about how Trump and his intellectuals are claiming to be about law and order. My point was a more simple one: it can't be about law and order if the president is above the law. Maybe we could use the term "order and law" instead, since they're subjecting the law to the hierarchy of political power.

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[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let's see how long it takes for an ICE goon to get the FAFO treatment.

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[–] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you allowed to booby trap your house so you can sleep safely at night?

[–] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On the off-chance this isn't a joke, no, booby traps are largely illegal because they are indiscriminate and a danger to everyone in the premises, including the person setting the traps.

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