r/startrek: The Next Generation
Star Trek news and discussion. No slash fic...
Maybe a little slash fic.
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Upcoming Episodes
| Date | Episode | Title |
|---|---|---|
| 09-03 | SNW 4x07 | “Like Chronitons Through the Hourglass” |
| 09-10 | SNW 4x08 | “Orders of Magnitude” |
| 09-17 | SNW 4x09 | "Once La’An a Time" |
| 09-24 | SNW 4x10 | "Tomorrow's Enterprise" |
| 03-?? | SFA 2x01 | TBA |
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I see the trailer, I don't think is the best serie in the world, but I think can be something fun to watch, to nowdays standards that is enough to me really.
I need to watch it to have an opinion, I have the feeling people need to give a chance at least, I did with Voyager despite all the negative critics I saw.
What you think about this?
It's the internet. There's going to be "backlash" regardless.
Though to be honest, people seem pretty high on SFA, both here an in other online spaces I visit.
I think there's a lot of potential in the concept, and the trailer looked great.
Either way, I'd much rather talk about the show than the people talking about the show.
@ValueSubtracted it's too early for a backlash. This must be a front-lash.
It's lashes all the way down.
I’d rather talk about reactions to a show that’s actually happening — even if they are based only on a trailer and pre promotional interviews — than endless hyping, speculation and claims of groundswells of fan enthusiasm about projects that aren’t happening.
Now that it’s no longer the officially sanctioned con, STLV’s panels seem to be set up to encourage producers and actors to hype projects that never even got to the development he’ll’ stage let alone any consideration for being greenlit. These include Tarantino’s bat-sh*t movie idea, Captain Worf, Legacy and the recently revealed Unity proposal.
OHHH wait I remember this conversation from Disco, lemme see if I can still do the spiel.
I think it's good if it brings more fans to series and in a way I envy the idea of them wanting more Star Trek and finding out about TNG, DS9 and VOY.
Many of us used to say the same about TNG, DS9 and Voyager bringing fans to TOS, TAS and the TOS movies.
But others of us just tried to give each show a chance to become favourites on their own merits.
In terms of the GenZs in our household, who had seen all the classic series by the end of middle school, the new shows have superceded their old favourites. One’s really into animated Trek, another loves Discovery. Star Trek Online has also played a role in retaining interest in the franchise.
All I can say about the trailer is that it took me less than five seconds to recognize Holly Hunter once she began to speak. Such a distinctive voice. Even if it sucks, I'm giving it a shot because of her.
I certainly wasn't expecting it to take place after Discovery, I thought it would be around the same time as Prodigy. I guess restarting the academy after The Burn could be more interesting, either way, I'm looking forward to seeing it.
It's the same dumb cycle that's happened with every new Trek show since TNG (and probably TAS). It's tiresome, but at least it's predicable, I guess? Just ignore the obligatory backlash and see how it turns out.
No, no, this time Star Trek will be woke. I can tell by the trailer. It's never been woke before.
‘Fans’ fundraised to pay for full page advertisements in major US newspapers as a campaign to persuade NBC not to broadcast TAS even after its season one production was almost complete.
Everything gets a "backlash" on the internet. If it says Star Trek on it, I'm going to at least try it. That easy.
(Disclaimer: Unless it's absolutely blatantly not Star Trek. And even then I might be curious. Section 31 was difficult.)
Section 31 was perfectly passable as a non Star Trek thing. If it were a random sci-fi movie it had fun moments. As Star Trek? Good lord it was garbage.
@cuchi These franchises sag under their own weight until there's nothing left. Star Wars is more guilty, pumping out so much content nothing means anything anymore. It's difficult for me to drop any form of objectivity with it these days... "Do or do not, there is no try." "Only Sith deal in absolutes."
Star Trek is on a lower trajectory compared to Star Wars, but neither can escape the gravity of enshittification. Chances are, I'd enjoy this more than the latest Star Wars tripe.
With Star Wars, they didn't even do the main film franchise well. Episode 7 was okay, but 8 was such hot garbage I read up on why and found out there was no overarching plan for the trilogy, and different directors for each. No wonder they pulled a J.K. Rowling to completely change the rules of their own systems to meet the needs of the (bad) plot, and shit all over their own franchise. Skywalker might as well have been given a Super Time Turner to save the day in 8.
Disney Star Wars films are bad fan fiction, not canon.
Ok, I’ll bite. From the trailer, it just looks like another season of Discovery. Same look and feel, same era, many of the same cast members. And since I didn’t care for Discovery, I doubt I will care for this either.
I really wish SkyDance would bring in a new showrunner after this round of Star Trek programs is over.
Ok, I’ll bite. From the trailer, it just looks like another season of Discovery. Same look and feel, same era, many of the same cast members. And since I didn’t care for Discovery, I doubt I will care for this either.
Exactly!
The post apocalyptic Discovery future is just something I couldn't care less about. It's not interesting, and this show looks like a direct sequel to it.
They didn't even change it to an actual Academy, instead also putting it on a spaceship to just keep doing the same kind of thing, but with more excuses for the "younger and edgier" crew. So many alarmbells ringing.
It doesn't help that I grew up with the Starfleet Academy videogame, and thus that period is forever linked to it.
I'm so out of touch now. I used to watch a lot of Star Trek when everything was broadcast television. I just can't bring myself to get a subscription just for Star Trek though.
I mean, I think you have pretty based reasons to sail the high seas, frankly.
I haven’t noticed much backlash, though I’m sure you can find some in the usual discontented corners of the internet. Personally I’m optimistic, but we really don’t have all that much information yet. The trailer mostly sold the tone, but it seemed like the right tone.
The first Star Trek that doesn't receive any backlash is the first Star Trek I'm not interested in.
We've seen basically nothing of it other than a short trailer, so it's way too early for anyone to be deciding whether it'll be good or not! I'm planning to give it a try, just like I have with every other Trek show so far. If I like it, I'll continue watching. If I don't, I won't!
you extremist
It is a hot take, I know! 😂
I think part of it is people are so annoyed with entertainment companies in general that it's hard to know if you're worried about something real about the show or you're just fatigued.
Also, personally, I feel like people have actually been relatively quiet about STA, although maybe it's just the community I'm in. Personally, with headlines about Robert Picardo's character being "deeper", I'm almost certain he'll be 100% comic relief, and the show may be unexpectedly good, if Star Trek: Prodigy is anything to judge by.
Mostly, I just hope they don't do the most basic Klingon plot they can think of - I think it would be great if the Qo'nos Klingons were relatively well off post-burn due to a philosophical shift, but they'll probably have something like they were devastated by civil war after possibly being a Federation member.
EDIT: I mean, almost all of the better newer series have been forays into a genre - LD adult animated comedy and PRO children's drama. If STA's trying to aim towards a tween/teen niche, maybe it will also follow that. The only one to break the pattern is S31 somewhat, in the sense it was an action movie attempt, but still within the general sci-fi drama standard of Trek.
Honestly, after Picard and Discovery I'm pretty much done with "New Trek", I've lost my interest. For this I'm not even the target audience - this seems aimed at teens / young adults. And it's once again produced by Alex Kurzman. So... yeah, I'm gonna give it a pass.
Same for me.
Just saw jem Hadar in the star fleet in this trailer? What?
I see them prioritizing:
...
Kurzman really destroyed trek.
I will see what comes out in the first 3 episodes, but as with discovery, I have extremely little expectations. Discovery ruined new trek for me: still cannot get over the mushroom drive and waterbear providing maps by shocking it with electricity, constantly whispering and whining of the main character, another crybaby destroyed dilithium in the galaxy because he has a 'connection'... Take your pick
They do have some good casting, like Tig Notaro. Hope there are other good ones as well.
Just saw jem Hadar in the star fleet in this trailer? What?
Why is that a problem? In TOS, Klingons were the enemy, then TNG brought us Worf. In TNG, the Ferengi were the enemy, then in DS9 Nog joined up. Star Trek is all about coming together and overcoming differences.
I see them prioritizing:
- Diversity and political correctness
I wish. They’ve cancelled all the shows with queer representation. SNW has about a hundred relationships going on, all straight. I miss Disco and Lower Decks.
none of those are explicitly evolved and bred by another race to act as their cannon fodder, and kept in-line by psychoactive substances they are genetically engineered to die without.
sure you can argue that they can be fixed by medicine and deprogramming, but it would be a bit like a new star wars film having a battle droid as a jedi padawan
If the Dominion has had any sort of reformation at all over the last several hundred years, I would think that freeing the Jem'Hadar would have been near the top of the "to do" list.
It hardly seems fair to compare them to robots.
no that's fair, they're more like a clone army.
Did you watch The Bad Batch?
It hardly seems fair to compare them to robots.
I agree, but also… you know if battle droids existed in Star Trek there’d be at least one episode where one of them breaks with its programming and comes to Starfleet seeking asylum. Like the exocomps, or Hugh in “I, Borg”, or even Data getting his day in court to prove his free will. Star Trek wants everyone to be free, whatever they’re made out of.
I'll take droid rights seriously as soon as Star Wars does. 😂
if you're posting about diversity being a negative, you've totally missed the point of all Star Trek since 1966.
Every time I see a 'Kurtzman bad' post, I think about the molesting of female actors that Rick Berman did. I think of the power hungry swings of manipulation he wielded over anyone who tried to leave.
I think of Maurice Hurley, who got McFadden fired on false pretences because she dared to stand up to his sexist shit.
I think of Gene Roddenberry, of his persistent meddling and manipulation. Of his theft of ideas and royalties. Of the fact that he is almost certainly the attempted rapist of the era.
Get the fuck over yourselves. 'I dont like Kurtzman's story ideas' puts him leagues ahead of the literal legacy of sex offenders that ran the show before.
Kurtzman is by all accounts a good person. He is however terrible at making good entertainment and a specially good Startrek.
Ya seen strange new worlds???
I've watched the first couple episodes with no expectations, didn't hate them, didn't love them.. I don't really know why - just didn't click with me. Might give it another shot!
It really is a throwback to the TNG days, more story than action but can be dark like DS9
LD and SNW are easily some of the best Trek series.
How would TNG have fared if people dipped out at ep 2?
Until Star Trek returns to technological optimism and the pursuit of human improvement, I'm not interested. Take your high school, technologically cromagnon melodramas and shove them up your ass.
i can't wait to watch it but also fuck paramount so i'm torrenting it