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Nine people killed after car plows into crowd at Vancouver Filipino festival (www.cnn.com)

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A driver plowed a car into a crowd at a street festival celebrating Filipino heritage in Vancouver on Saturday night, killing at least nine people and injuring others.

Some of those attending the festival helped arrest the suspect at the scene, who police identified as a 30-year-old man.

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“It’s something you don’t expect to see in your lifetime,” Kris Pangilinan, a Toronto-based journalist, told Canadian public broadcaster CBC. “[The driver] just slammed the pedal down and rammed into hundreds of people. It was like seeing a bowling ball hit — all the bowling pins and all the pins flying up in the air.”

He continued, “It was like a war zone… There were bodies all over the ground.”

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[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Cars are a terrorist threat! We should remove them from our streets.

[–] Eril@feddit.org 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Only a good guy with a car can stop a bad guy with a car though. Also if everyone in a crowd had a car, stuff like this wouldn't be possible.

/s for the people in the back

[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Actually, I agree. Put them underground, in a tunnel, where people aren't walking.

Walking > Bikes > Trains > Buses > fuck cars.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Don't put them in the city at all, even in a tunnel. If you're going into the city, park and take transit. (Edit: my complaint here is personal; Boston had an interstate running through it, which they buried, and then put a four-to-six-lane road on top of it where there was supposed to be green space.)

Yeah, I know some people can't do that because they're working and need tools, e.g. plumbers, but if we get all the casual drivers on transit it's good enough.

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[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Can mods do something about this thread? Everyone is engaging in friendly speculation that it was terrorism, because their lizard brains are remembering the Toronto attack. This was a mental health problem. The suspect was not a white supremacist. Go back to America please.

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[+] arankays@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (7 children)

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[–] wetbung@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There are a lot of areas that were designed based on cars. Where I live would be difficult for most of the residents without cars or something similar. The population density is too low to make most public transportation practical.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good news, in those places a driver going off the road isn't going to hit a crowd of people.

[–] wetbung@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I completely agree. If you look at the comment I was responding to, though, you'll see they appear to be advocating a complete prohibition, "Cars need to go. Away forever." I'm just saying there are places where that's not practical.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Most of those places would work just fine with a combination of trains for long distance and bicycles/walking for local travel too.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Boats, trains, subways, light rail, trams, buses, cable cars, micro electric vehicles, bikes, velomobiles, scooters, skateboards, rollerblades, feet, and sensible urban planning where the nearest grocery store isn't an hour's walk from my house don't exist. If it's not a car, I don't wanna hear about it.

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[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Cars need to go, streets need to pedestrianize, and bollards need to go up to make sure cars stay the hell out.

To your point, imagine if this were a mass-shooting and the title were: "Nine people killed after gun shoots into crowd at Vancouver Filipino Festival". "Nine people killed after knife stabs into crowd at Vancouver Filipino Festival." It's so fucking passive as to be sickening. It reminds me of the "Man dies in officer-involved shooting" trope we see in US media because extrajudicial murder by the police is so routine and heavily whitewashed.

The AP gives it the same treatment. The only equivalent I could think of is "Nine people killed after bomb explodes into crowd", and you know why that might be written that way? Because it's not immediately obvious who placed the bomb. This mass-murdering psychopath is in custody; we can say "Nine people killed after man drives into crowd at Vancouver Filipino festival."

Edit: the death toll is now eleven, not nine.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cars are absolutely not the problem here. Yes cars have issues, but using this as an anti-car platform is disgusting and shameful.

This is a growing problem with mental illness, racism, and the right wing. Focus on the problem.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Oh yeah, the old "this isn't a ~~gun~~ car issue; this is a mental health issue". "You're disgusting for trying to make this ~~mass-shooting~~ mass-ramming about ~~guns~~ cars; this isn't the time(TM)." It's such a shame that the US is the only place in the world with a mental health crisis and that's why first-world gun deaths almost exclusively happen in the US, not in Canada where firearms are heavily reg– checks title Oh wait. It seems like "This isn't an X issue, it's a mental health one" curiously always seems to come back to "I want you to solve this nebulous, prolific, and stochastic issue in lieu of addressing the most immediate, concrete problem by regulating X because I really like my privileged position of being able to use X however and wherever I want and fuck anybody who suffers for or questions that privilege."

Why can't it be both? Car deaths have concrete, meaningful steps we could immediately take (pedestrianizing roads, adding bollards to pedestrian streets, reducing car dependency so fewer people own and drive cars, etc., and that's just for incidents where people intentionally use cars to murder people), but it seems like you happen to prefer ignoring the reality that designing cities around cars is horribly dangerous and dysfunctional. "Cars have issues"? Yeah, try reading the title to see one of them.

It's so obvious this attack was trivial to a point where it's not even settled that it was intentional. You think this man could've killed ~~nine~~ eleven people and injured twenty more with his fists? Seriously?? [Editor's note: they seriously compare it to being armed with fists in a now-removed comment.] Even a knife attack is considerably more difficult, and it has at least some minimum barrier that you need to be in some kind of physical condition to perpetrate one, that there's a minimal chance of escaping the scene, that there's more chance of stopping it early, and that a car attack can be done much more impulsively. Plus there's the matter that regulating cars is massively easier than regulating knives. A goddamn infirm 90-year-old has the capacity to perpetrate this attack. And what would've prevented it completely? A few slabs of concrete or steel that any decent pedestrian street would have. Make psychological and psychiatric care free under Canada's Medicare? Absolutely, do it. Do it right now; why haven't we already? Do I think that'd be as effective at preventing this attack as literally just some slabs on the street? No.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You know there is a forest behind these trees right?

And I never said guns weren’t a problem, that’s you talking for me because you have no respect for anyone else’s opinion if it might challenge yours.

If you took the time to do the root cause analysis, you would have a different opinion of the problem. So, you can choose to keep your belief, or educate yourself. I’m guessing you go with the one that delivers the most dopamine.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

And I never said guns weren’t a problem, that’s you talking for me because you have no respect for anyone else’s opinion if it might challenge yours.

I hope you're smart enough to understand what an "analogy" is? If not, here you go. "Analogy is a comparison or correspondence between two things (or two groups of things) because of a third element that they are considered to share." Hope that helps, champ. 🥰

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Root cause analysis. Do it or stay dumb. Adios.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So you do or do not understand that when I was talking about guns, I was drawing a direct comparison between your misdirection away from the lack of regulation to mental health and right-wingers' misdirection away from the lack of regulation to mental health? Not actually assuming what your stance on gun regulation is? That is our common understanding now, right? You can amend your comment to acknowledge that you misunderstood this basic rhetorical device? Or acknowledge it in some form? You're not going to "never play defense" me here, right?

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You hate cars more than you hate people dying. That’s probably why you don’t like to dive too deep into mental health.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So "never play defense" then? On the concept of an analogy and the "fists" thing, right? Everyone is Kiryu Kazuma going around, killing ~~nine~~ eleven and injuring twenty with their fists?

Can you acknowledge that you were wrong about the analogy? And can you acknowledge that comparing a fist attack to an attack perpetrated by a car driver is asinine?

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 0 points 1 year ago

It’s possible to tell when you have won when the opponent starts attacking things like grammar and language as a last ditch effort to get the dopamine they need for they day.

I hope you have the day you voted for 🥰 goodbye.

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[–] Zacpod@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I know it's a slim chance and I'm going out on a limb here, but something tells me the driver was a white conservative.

[–] turnip@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's quite racist of you. Great job.

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[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Apparently it was mental health related, and he was apologizing when he came out of the car

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Video shows the person looks Asian. Probably conservative. I’d imagine a lot of Filipinos voted for Trump too.

[–] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Going out on a limb that most of the Filipinos in that crowd didn't vote for Trump, being that it happened in Canada

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[–] BadlyTimedLuck@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Seems like people already believe Canada is a US state. I dunno if I should laugh at the stupidity or cry that stupidity is winning

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[–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 1 year ago

Talk about a pick me gesture; I guess he's trying to prove he's "one of the good ones."

[–] Supervisor194@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’d imagine a lot of Filipinos voted for Trump too.

Doubtful in Vancouver.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I mean, they're still probably right that a lot of Filipinos probably voted for Trump still. Just not many in that crowd probably. And very unlikely to be "most"

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[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

I prefer to call them "Poilievre voters"

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

No motive has been given, although police have said they are “confident” it was not an act of terrorism.

I wonder what makes them confident of that. It certainly resembles a terrorist attack.

[–] andallthat@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It means they double checked and the driver was definitely white

[–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

This is the kind of uninformed bile that bots and provocateurs use, might want to rethink that readyfireaim joke.

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[–] Grabthar@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Dude might have been drunk. If it isn't intentional, it's usually a case of too drunk or too old.

[–] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Or plain old mental illness

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[–] modeler@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What are you talking about, the victims weren't white?

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[–] MunkysUnkEnz0@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Maybe it's time to revisit our car-centric lifestyle.

[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your not wrong but this isn't why.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

It is in the sense that vehicle traffic shouldn't be next to pedestrian areas, eliminating the opportunity for such an event to happen in the first place. At a minimum, there should be strong bollards, because mechanical failures can and do happen.

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

ITT: hillbilly gun-clutchers who don't realize cars are only working when you don't hit something, and guns are only working when you do hit something.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

ITT: people who don't realize that none of us are supporting guns. We're drawing a comparison between the same ridiculous-ass logic that right-wingers apply to guns to try to stall and misdirect from concrete regulation and the exact same rhetoric people in this thread are making in defense of car culture and lack of regulation and safeguards around cars. Strict gun regulation is good; strict car regulation is good. Strict gun regulation would deter many mass-shootings in the US. Strict car regulation (including even basic considerations for pedestrian safety at the slight expense of cars) would deter car-ramming attacks.

"Why are you talking about ~~guns~~ cars at a time like this? I can't believe you're using this tragic ~~mass-shooting~~ mass-ramming to soapbox about ~~gun~~ car regulation. This isn't the time to talk about how we let ~~guns~~ cars be so dangerous and how the direct result was this ~~shooting~~ ramming. The real cause of this was a mental health crisis. Society needs ~~guns~~ cars to ~~protect ourselves~~ get around. What do you mean, 'Do I ever bring up this mental health crisis outside of ~~mass-shootings~~ mass-rammings?' Uhh..."

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On guns in the US you might want to watch these three:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BxvxbZGjlv4 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wNtxtuQxUz8
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QbXTDuwSVkk

It's a tad more complicated than "gun bad" or "car bad".

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Every first-world country that has tight regulation shows an astronomical decrease in gun deaths from the US. It's not more complicated; regulation works, and the more regulated guns are, proportionally the fewer deaths.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago

No shit Sherlock.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No motive has been given, although police have said they are “confident” it was not an act of terrorism.

Let me guess? The suspect is white! I jest, but at this point it's probably likely the driver is a radicalized "conservative" than any other group.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why would you guess? You can literally just look it up. It's all over the news.

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[–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

No. East Asian looking male with a history of mental illness.

Most likely the political component of this tragedy is how the Socreds closed regional mental health institutions in the late 20th C, and subsequent governments just swept the whole thing under the rug while homelessness spread through the province and mentally disturbed and unsupported people lashed out in random ways.

Now you have dorks and bootlickers like Mayor Sims turning a health system failure into an opportunity for cruelty and repression. Punishment will be the talking point. They will roll with that, watch.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 0 points 1 year ago

JFC CANADA?! Get your shit together!

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