That's great and all. But you seem to forget, "It's the economy stupid."
You lot need to join Bernie and AOC's campaign.
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Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Tankies literally ally with the bad to fight the good. And perfect doesn't exist.
Anyone who is against fascism is an ally in the fight against fascism, no matter how flawed.
We can settle other differences by talking them out, but that can never be done with fascism because it only ever listens to painful consequences.
That implies democrats are good, which... uh... gestures broadly.
Democrats, generally speaking, are imperfect, but not systemically bad.
Uh... gestures broadly again? Democrats are seat warmers whose number 1 goal is to make sure the left doesn't take power. Their number 2 goal is to make sure neoliberals stay in power both in the party and in the government. They're systemically inadequate and systemically enforce their inadequacy on the American people. They're at least as much of a problem as Republicans themselves.
The Democrats passed legislation that cut child poverty IN HALF. They passed the largest healthcare overhaul in a generation against unwaivering opposition from the entire GOP. They established the CFPB. They've pushed a ton of climate legislation. There's plenty of good things the Democrats have done, even with absolutely razor thin margins and ZERO help from the other party.
And to be clear: the Democratic party has fucking sucked donkey balls for decades, but they are nowhere near the level of malevolence that conservatives present.
They're at least as much of a problem as Republicans themselves.
This is such a giant load of horseshit and should result in literally everyone discounting what you say. You are living in a completely different reality. This both sides nonsense is exactly that.
They passed the largest healthcare overhaul in a generation against unwaivering opposition from the entire GOP.
They had a supermajority and what did they pass? Literally Romneycare. Like dude if this is your "the DNC is good" pitch then you should think about the possibilities that they squashed by making their healthcare "overhaul" a literal Republican policy.
There's plenty of good things the Democrats have done, even with absolutely razor thin margins and ZERO help from the other party.
Where did I imply otherwise? I didn't say they're out there causing damage on the scale of the Republicans; you have Republicans for that. I said they're inadequate, which you seem to agree with.
And to be clear: the Democratic party has fucking sucked donkey balls for decades, but they are nowhere near the level of malevolence that conservatives present.
And who stops you when you try to make the sort of radical change necessary to stop conservatives from taking power? Hint: It's the fucking neoliberals. Who stole the candidacy from Bernie not once but twice? Again the fucking neoliberals. And who's trying to stop David Hoggs from trying replacing the people doing all this with young progressives (aka people exceeding the bare minimum of political competence and human decency)? Again the fucking neoliberals.
You need both the rachet and the gear to keep up this bad boy, and that's the point I'm trying to make. The Democrats' role in this nonsense isn't to ruin everything (though they do some of that too), but to pave the way for Republicans to take power and ruin everything.
Democrats spent a solid year supporting an ongoing genocide.
You no longer get to pretend to be good.
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this is such a fucking waste of time and is nothing more than pandering bullshit. we don't want you to try to pass something that WON'T PASS and WON'T STOP FASCISM. please do something more. please do something that fucking matters.
You are wanting people whose literal job is to legislate, which they were elected to do in order to represent the voice of their constituents on legislative matters, to stop trying to legislate in an effort to build legal walls to defend against fascism?
This is a case where we need the dog-and-pony show. We need everyone doing everything they can, especially the foundational things, so that later on no one can say "why didn't they just try the normal way and things wouldn't have been so difficult?"
Edit: we need our representatives to be doing more, I agree there, but I'm saying we need them do AT LEAST do their job, and we should probably be saying "Yes, and..." to them instead of just "you're doing it wrong."
if you can't see through this charade i don't know what to tell you.
Man I have to agree with OP. Do these things like a Dem version of Project 2025. Have an equality agenda when in power and actually make those changes. Fight facism now, because equality doesn't mean shit if everyone in power is facist. They are deporting US Citizens for God's sake.
nothing more than virtue signalling at this point, they know if they used it earlier, they probably wont have leverage over the voters to vote for them anymore. thier just stringing people long enough where they can still grift and quickly retire to another country or a wealthy community, where they are untouchable by the plebs.
please do something more. please do something that fucking matters.
Okay.
As members of Congress, what, exactly, should they be doing?
You are right. This current government is a "We the People" problem, not a "You the Politician" problem.
Get violent, break decorum. Yell. SCREAM! Tell the world that these fascist motherfuckers are throwing lives away. Do goddamn anything that will mean you have to fucking LOSE something for once in your fucking life. Our politicians live a life of luxury and convenience and you think them writing a bill that they know will fail is a fucking good deed. like honestly, fuck you, you fucking liberal piece of shit. you are half the reason we are in this mess in the first place.
Okay. So will breaking decorum, yelling, and screaming will 'pass' or stop fascism?
can you imagine the response from the general public if they saw our members of Congress literally fighting against fascism? it would be otherworldly and could help inspire millions of Americans to take up a genuine, true rebellion and fight. if these so-called antifascists in government are truly that then they need to physically prevent the fascists from being able to do their job. we elected them for that because we can't FUCKING do it, now can we? can you just go in there and stop it?
So, "They're pandering to the wrong people; I want them to pander by doing different useless symbolic actions."
About what I figured.
no no, you misunderstand me: i want AOC to literally beat the shit out of her coworkers in order to prevent Trump from sending another fucking child with cancer out of this country or a legal resident to El Salvador never to return
is that clear?
Okay, how will AOC 'beating the shit' out of GOP Congressmen stop ICE from deporting children?
oh it wouldn’t! see, that’s the cool part. i wasn’t saying that act alone would solve anything but that it would be a physical act carrying significant personal risk, which is something people haven’t seen from our politicians: personal risk. they have never stood to lose a goddamn thing.
i genuinely believe if our Congress was more violent and chaotic then more and more Americans would rally together and do something regarding the ICEs of our government
oh it wouldn’t!
So, “They’re pandering to the wrong people; I want them to pander by doing different useless symbolic actions.”
So you agree with my comment you originally objected to. Good. Glad we're in agreement.
no you dumb fuck: this is a physical act that carries a symbolic significance. it means something because it exchanged something. there was weight behind that symbolism. it wasn’t just pointless and empty like the criticism often expresses. good try though. just fuck off and say you’re a coward and violence isn’t the answer blah blah liberal nonsense fuck you.
no you dumb fuck: this is a physical act that carries a symbolic significance.
"My useless symbolic action will make the masses Rise Up(tm), while THEIR useless symbolic action won't!"
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just fuck off and say you’re a coward and violence isn’t the answer blah blah liberal nonsense fuck you.
Sorry that I find the idea that Congressmembers brawling will help our situation at all risible.
You want to use violence as the answer to this question, get real about it, not asking clerks and octogenarians to get into slapfights in the halls of Congress on your behalf in the strange hope that it'll cause a mass uprising wherein you won't have to lift a finger.
fuck you you fucking cunt. you are a coward in the face of fascism and i hope you get yours.
Obstruct. Filibuster. Gum up the works.
nothing more than shore up some of thier dem elections in the futures, nothing more. its basically like republicans doing the opposite but it never passes in the senate too.
I read deeper into the article than I care to admit because I wanted to find the date of original introduction.
The Equality Act was introduced in 1974, only 10 years after the civil rights act, which it sought to amend.
In the 8 legislative sessions where democrats have held a trifecta since the act’s introduction, they have not attempted to pass it (instead, favoring stripped down versions that often have many LGBT+ protections removed if a bill has been introduced at all). Every time it has lost the vote or died in committee. And now here we are, less than a week after Trump has moved to nuke the way that the CRA is enforced. So… if both succeed we are actually further from the goal.
Great. Good politics. Not ineffective virtue signaling while being passenger princesses on this ride to fascism at all.
a little too late, how bout introducing something more effectively like limiting his ability to give out tariffs, or protecting voters from voter suppression.
I remember constant complaints of "The Dems didn't even TRY anything, they should have proposed bills even if they knew it would fail!" before the second Trump presidency.
Now it seems the chorus has changed to "I can't believe they're trying something they know will fail!"
Curious.
who the fuck was saying that other than your fellow coward-ass liberals?
The same kinds of Very Serious Leftists who are now saying spontaneous revolutionary action is the only solution that is acceptable.
no lmao
Turns out that when they actually get a majority, they need to reintroduce and actually vote for bills, or they lose credibility.
Which is how you get people who realized in 2021 that your party is run by useless bums who only effectively represent the businesses exploiting us and of course netanyahu.
You want less cynicism, inspire less cynicism.
its more like senator warren introducing the flag legislation which was meaniningless.
The problem is that when they decide to grow a tiny bit of spine this is what they use it for. Like, even if this bill passed it'd mean nothing in two months as the rest of democracy is dismantled around it. It's like seeing a serial killer break into your home and deciding it's a good time to wash the dishes. I mean don't get me wrong, pushing bills alone is very inadequate for supposed opposition leaders during a fascist takeover either way, but pushing LGBT rights bills? They're not even at the starting line with that.
Like, even if this bill passed it’d mean nothing in two months as the rest of democracy is dismantled around it
Okay. There are two core problems with this:
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Even fascist regimes are reliant on a highly procedural state bureaucracy in which law can still be used to delay and frustrate fascist aims - this was true even in Nazi Germany at the height of WW2, wherein lawyers associated with the resistance used legal and procedural methods that predated the Nazi takeover, and some that post-dated it, to buy time and save lives. If the fascist regime is intent on killing an individual it singles out for whatever reason, it will kill them regardless of the bureaucracy; but for the vast machinations of killing or imprisoning large amounts of people, procedural methods still have validity as tools in reducing, delaying, and even reversing individual cases. If this bill passed, and for the record I think it has a snowball's chance in hell of doing so, it would be amongst the tools which would reduce the damage the fascist regime is capable of inflicting going forward, even if not in any way a replacement for real action by society against the fascist regime.
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What the fuck are they supposed to be doing, as legislators, if not shit like this? There's no fillibuster in the House, no major delaying tactics. You could advocate for starting brawls, like another commenter did, but other than achieving the expulsion of remaining Dems with spine from the legislature, which would seem to me a negative consequence rather than a positive, I don't really know what that's supposed to accomplish more than you or me going down to the Capitol and throwing hands with Generic McFascist (R-Iowa).
pushing LGBT rights bills? They’re not even at the starting line with that.
Considering that LGBT folk are at the forefront of who this fascist regime is intent on persecuting? Would beg to fucking differ.
If this bill passed, and for the record I think it has a snowball's chance in hell of doing so, it would be amongst the tools which would reduce the damage the fascist regime is capable of inflicting going forward, even if not in any way a replacement for real action by society against the fascist regime.
According to the article:
The legislation would amend the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to explicitly ban discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity in employment, housing, education, public accommodations, jury service, and federally funded programs.
This doesn't sound like a procedural method that can frustrate fascist aims; it's just a sentence on a piece of paper saying "you can't do this one thing". If the Trump admin wants to do that thing they'll either pass a bill or issue an executive order saying they can. This bill is too obvious to be a meaningful tool of damage reduction; to invoke it you'd have to come out and say "you're not allowed to discriminate based on sexual orientation", which would prompt the administration to say "now we can".
What the fuck are they supposed to be doing, as legislators, if not shit like this?
Step down so people with spine can take the position and use it to do things that actually matter. What I expect from a legislator in 2025 (and to be fair my expectations are irrelevant as I'm not American) is to use their position as a podium from which they can tell the people to protest, strike, practice mutual aid and otherwise resist the administration in ways that matter. Legislation would be nice in addition to that, but representatives whose whole "contribution" to anti-fascist resistance is to write a bill and call it a day? They can fucking get lost.
Considering that LGBT folk are at the forefront of who this fascist regime is intent on persecuting? Would beg to fucking differ.
LGBT people are near the top of the regime's shitlist, but look at who is being actively persecuted right now. It's not LGBT people; it's immigrants and from there Latino people as a whole and "criminals". Of course LGBT people are going to be added to that list sooner or later, but for now the front line is still immigrants, so if the goal is to protect people the administration is persecuting they should be pushing immigrant rights bills to at least challenge the narrative Trump and co are trying to create. Pushing a pro-LGBT bill at this stage of the fascist takeover is empty grandstanding with no benefit whatsoever.
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As much as I appreciate this proposal, now is not the time for more identity politics. Now it’s a fight for basic democracy, the rule of law and against corruption.
Get out there and DO SOMETHING, Democrats
Its all a show, this bill has no chance of passing and they know this. The Democrat resistance is nothing more than smoke and pretty words.
I mean, yeah, what else are they supposed to do at this point, you took them out of every lever of power.
Don't get me wrong I think the Democrats failed as much for the next guy but getting mad at them now after you've prevented them from doing anything at all just seems petty.
This is how the Democrats communicate their values and intentions. And 30, 40, 100 years ago it would have worked, because the public looked for alternative solutions to problems. Today, the public wants a bully to assertively stand on camera and yell at them. The Democrats don't do that, and it's to their detriment.
But the time for all of this has passed, they're rearranging deck chairs.
but getting mad at them now after you’ve prevented them from doing anything at all just seems petty.
It would seem to be a trend.
Maybe start with voting no on the new censorship bill that just passed with unanimous consent that Trump specifically said he will abuse to silence people.
I mean they have so many options to move in any direction other than their shoulders up in a shrug.
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Farts and good intentions
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