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[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The only valid reason to vote for the democrats at this point is to spite the republicans. That's it.

Withhold your vote or you're complicit in genocide.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Are they both objectively terrible?

I mean, trump seems obvious. Unstable wannabe tyrant/dictator from a party of evangelical theocrats, criminal, fraudster, blatant liar, thief, rapist, sycophant of dictators, insurrectionist, wife beater...and we haven't even dug in to the party that supports this behavior along with their LGBTQ hate, restricting womens' rights, voter fraud, election fraud, gun rights > your life, handing everything to the billionaires, environmental destruction of most every kind, and of course their NAZI underpinnings.

Joe is a career politician with all the baggage that goes with that, but he's not actively and willfully sabotaging the country.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Both are objectively terrible, the Democrats are tepid liberals that are trying to put band-aids on gaping holes in a sinking ship rather than solving the underlying issues.

The GOP is, of course, fascist, and thus far worse, but in the sinking ship that is America, continuing to sink without fixing the underlying issues is bad as well.

Actually fixing the problems is far greater than the DNC, which is far greater than the GOP.

Edit: no, I'm not advocating for third party voting, I plan on voting for Biden, because I believe change must come from below. Begging the DNC to fix the gaping problems with American society will never get anything done, ever. Organize, donate to strike funds, actually try to build pressure from below.

[–] VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

People really seem to think Biden should have a magic wand, or should somehow impose things the majority of Americans are against and when he can't they say he's the devil. It's so silly.

I'm far more radical left than most people and I've come to accept that, I have faith in the strength of my ideas and that they'll displace capitalism but understand it'll be a struggle and a fight. Biden has very likely literally no concept of the ideals I value, I imagine it'd take me hours to explain the importance of open source software for example and I don't expect he'd take it on board very seriously even at best so of course I wouldn't pick him as the leader of my.movememt but that's not what people are being asked to pick, they're picking the president of the whole country so of course he's also going to have to work in the existing frameworks and with the many factions that exist.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

I don't expect Biden to do anything other than continue the American Liberal project, but I'm also not a reformist, I don't believe it's possible to vote Capitalism into Socialism. I only vote for Biden because it appears to me that it is easier to organize a grassroots movement under liberals than under fascists.

Liberalism won't make America better, it just won't make it fascist as quickly as the fascist party.

[–] Gabu@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Biden is a card carrying capitalist, so yes, both are objectively terrible.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Why don’t you move to Venezuela then if you don’t like capitalism?

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Why don't you move to South Korea if you love capitalism so much. I heard quality of life there is through the roof.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Venezuela is over 75% privatized. It's Capitalist.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is asinine. Trump has literally threatened to use dictatorial methods on his first day in office.

It's like approaching Hitler and Joe Rogan in the same room but you've only got one bullet. And instead of using it, you just walk away talking about how they both suck. Like, kill fucking Hitler, what are you doing?

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Wait, is Joe Biden promising to kill Trump if elected? Shit, why didn't you say so?

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)