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“Staggering” Water Loss Driven by Groundwater Mining Poses Global Threat (www.propublica.org)

submitted 10 months ago by jeffw@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

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[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 34 points 10 months ago

The researchers were surprised to find that the loss of water on the continents has grown so dramatically that it has become one of the largest causes of global sea level rise. Moisture lost to evaporation and drought, plus runoff from pumped groundwater, now outpaces the melting of glaciers and the ice sheets of either Antarctica or Greenland as the largest contributor of water to the oceans.

oh my

[–] Plum@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

https://ourworldindata.org/water-use-stress

Water stress doesn't get talked about enough.

[–] Cocopanda@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

What’s interesting. Is that where I am located. Has thousands of years worth the water in the ground to last for a long time. Per friends in the water district. We are very lucky but I hope fracking never comes here.

[–] TWeaK@lemmy.today 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Global like the world baseball league.

[–] NobodyElse@sh.itjust.works 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Global like if the US experiences staggering water shortages, the rest of the world is going to get pulled into the excitement.

[+] TWeaK@lemmy.today -7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Lol the rest of the world doesn't bother with AC, you think they're going to be concerned by US water?

[–] Cocopanda@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Who do you think needs a majority of the world? It’s the reason why we’re the corn and wheat suppliers for most of the world. If those regions go dry. No matter where you are. You are going to experience food shortages. If we don’t have water for crops.

Come to Salinas California. Where most your tomatoes and Artichokes come from. I’ll show you what losing water access looks like for farms.

[–] TWeaK@lemmy.today 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Where most your tomatoes and Artichokes come from.

Pretty sure my tomatoes don't come from California lol.

[–] Cocopanda@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Go to a grocery store and if you can locate the boxes and check the farm. Something like 45% of the world’s fruit comes from our state alone. Not just the USA’s. Do you ever eat Dominos? Those are Cali tomatoes.

[–] TWeaK@lemmy.today -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Something like 45% of the world’s fruit comes from our state alone.

This is obviously not true. Maybe it's true across North America, but California does not produce 50% of the world's produce.

American produce is not found on the shelves of European supermarkets. Even big franchises like Dominos, they source more locally than that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomato#Production

China produce the most tomatoes in the world, at 37% of the global supply.

[–] Cocopanda@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Tomatoes (processing & fresh)

The state produces over 80–90% of U.S. processing tomatoes, and up to 30% of the world’s processed tomato products.

We're right up there with China then.

To expand on our crops.

Summary: California’s Greatest Global Contributions Crop / Commodity Approx. Global or U.S. Share Export Value / Economic Notes Almonds ~80% of world almond supply ~$4–5 billion in export revenue Pistachios Majority of U.S.; top global supplier Nearly $3 billion in exports Walnuts Dominates U.S. walnut output A top-five export; billions in total value Grapes / Wine ~90% of U.S. supply Major in wine exports and table grape trade Strawberries ~90% of U.S. production Exports and fresh domestic consumption Tomatoes (processing) ~80–90% of U.S., ~30% global processed Used heavily in sauces, canned goods, exports Lettuce & Vegetables ~90%+ U.S. lettuce supply, large share of leafy greens Major fresh market and export presence Citrus Fruits ~80% of U.S. citrus Strong export markets globally Dairy Products ~20% of U.S. milk, highest cash receipts in CA Domestic supply and export of cheese, milk, butter)

[–] TWeaK@lemmy.today 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So in other words you wrongly assumed I was in the US and that my tomatoes would therefore likely be Californian.

[–] Cocopanda@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Wellllll. Cali provides about 30% of the world’s tomatoes. So maybe. Almost 1 of 3 tomatoes in the world come from here.

[–] TWeaK@lemmy.today 1 points 9 months ago

It's a bit more nuanced. If you're in North America, it's more likely than not that you'll have a Californian tomato. If you're in Asia, it's probably Chinese. If you're in Europe there's a lot of clout for Italian tomatoes, but you'll probably see a lot of local produce front and centre, with maybe some budget options from another country or in the off-season.

But ultimately water shortages in Cali are going to have little effect on Europe. Prices on the shelve are so far removed beyond cost that a global market price rise caused by the shortage won't have a massive effect on the price consumers pay - we're already paying as much as they can get away with charging, at this point it doesn't really matter much what excuse they use to raise the price because they were already planning to do that anyway.

[–] osaerisxero@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Their point was that they're going to be concerned about the US Military taking their water if the US runs out.

[–] TWeaK@lemmy.today -5 points 10 months ago

Lol you know nothing about distribution of anything, apparently. Water doesn't generally travel that far. The supplies you're suggesting the US Military would take aren't anywhere near the US.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Is this an appropriate place to rant about alfalfa farming for the purpose of retaining water rights, and the whole process of retaining water rights?

https://youtu.be/XusyNT_k-1c

[–] HBK@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 months ago

This has always been my concern with living in the West Coast region of the United States. I worry I'll move there and in ~10-20 years my neighbor will shoot me over a glass of water and/or my house will burn down in a forest fire. Is this unrealistic and something I shouldn't be concerned about? Probably lol.

Also as the saying goes: 'those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks.' I currently live in the deep red state of TN, so although I am not worried about forest fires or running out of water, I am deeply concerned about the political climate I'm in. Also, tornadoes (some say tornado valley is moving east)and 110°F (45°C) Heat indexes that will probably kill me instead.

[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Is this the opposite of water world