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the only truly valid “minority” is the fascist one (see for example, the erasure of communist ukrainians for fascist ones, communist Indonesians for fascist ones, and same for other East Europeans, South Americans etc)

I have also seen that there is an erasure and persecution of communist parties(Ukraine for example) for less effective ones(Trotskyst, Maoist and other pro imperialist ultra left deviations). It is an interesting trend to mention beside the state openly favoring fascist ones.

There was one in Ukraine who went with the liberal "both sides bad" of the conflict -> http://www.solidnet.org/article/23rd-IMCWP-Contribution-by-Union-of-Communists-of-Ukraine/

media control.

China has 1.4 billion citizens. Xinjiang is a major tourist destination with 300 million tourists anually. Most of these people have smart phones. Do you seriously think the PRC has the magical powers to keep that many information channels under wraps? Plain impossible. Hell look at chinas borders, do you seriously think the PRC could close them down to prevent refugees from fleeing?

Furthermore, a genocide requires infrastructure and leaves evidence. In Gaza there's plenty of mass graves, video evidence and the israeli butchers even filming themselves doing it! The infrastructure used to siege gaza can easily found, the fortified border wall, the army bases around it.

Meanwhile Xinjiang: Nothing, no graves, no facilites to keep the supposed 1 million people, no witnesses.

I've been to Xinjiang and spoken to Uyghurs. They either laugh at the idea of a genocide or are horrified that such a narrative exists. The huge amount of Uyghur culture being practiced and celebrated and used as a source of internal tourism for China again suggests that no genocide is taking place.

What did happen is a deradicalisation campaign almost 10 years ago. That was to prevent the spread of fundamentalist Islam in the wake if the Arab spring, which was backed by the west, resulted in the fall of Libya and it's current woes and the rise of Isis in Syria.

The west wanted this wave of madness to spread into Xinjiang and do to it what they have done repeatedly in the Islamic world, which is use radical Islam to topple governments opposed to US hegemony. Is it any wonder that when China fights back against this the west starts up the propaganda machine to invoke accusations of genocide.

This is the exact same playbook they used against communist Afghanistan and the Soviet Union, which resulted in the Taliban.

china has media control.

This is just "communists are necromancers / mind controllers / Cthulhu delegates" kind of monster under the bed nonsense coming from Cold War propaganda era narrative and continuing on to this day. No state has 100% control over media and the reality is that after the initial push of the narrative (which primarily came from a "dude trust me" singular individual), the credibility of the claim slowly unraveled. This is in contrast to a history like, for example, US in Korea, where it started out as the US portraying it as for good and info on the US occupation's atrocities came out over time, as people whistleblew and people investigated. Or how many people were duped into viewing the israeli colony as "it's complicated" rather than colonialism doing what colonialism does (extermination of the natives) and only got through the bubble when raw first person information on atrocities committed by israel started coming through. In israel's case, it's not just that they are so brazen about it at this stage, it's also the painstaking documentation that Palestinians have done, some of them getting targeted and martyred for daring to report on the crimes of the settlers.

There is no such equivalent evidence going on with China and claiming ultimate powers of censorship as the reason is, well... there's a Parenti quote that comes to mind about an unfalsifiable orthodoxy. The absurdity of this kind of argument that happens in anti-communist propaganda goes something like:

1. The communists are evil. 2) If the evidence is clear and available, then you are evil if you don't condemn them. 3) If the evidence is not clear and available, then it must be because the communists are totalitarian masterminds and are hiding the evidence from us. And obviously one who would support totalitarian masterminds is evil themself.

It's one of those things like that saying, "You can't reason someone out of a belief they haven't reasoned themself into." Much of anti-communist propaganda begins with an implied truism that communism must be evil and then reasons about how it is evil after the fact. By comparison, no such nonsense is necessary to criticize colonialism, for example; its crimes are well documented over hundreds of years and it depends on such narratives as saying that one people are civil and another savage, and so the savages "deserve what they get" (aka: dehumanization).

You will not find such narratives in the practice of communism because it goes out of its way to humanize and work to eliminate class and caste barriers. So its opponents simply make up atrocities committed in its name and claim that it's a faked humanitarian goal.

You can go to Xinjiang today and meet Uyghur people. The fact that they live freely, and that Uyghur culture is still alive and well, is pretty ample evidence that there's not been a genocide.

I think you can have reasonable criticisms of the reeducation program but to call it a genocide just seems factually incorrect.

Replying to myself, but I guess the responses prove the polarisation point at least.

Soo.. there isn't any but we're supposed to just believe it anyway? Lol incredible

They have smartphones there. They MAKE smartphones there.

While ETIM was founded in turkey, the my of the genocide was started by The Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation and the BBC.

It should be well known at this point that Turkey has one of the most two faced governments in the world. They perpetually try and play both sides.

No there is no such attempt, lol.

Uyghur language is widely teached, is on the currency notes of the PRC, all public signs in Xinjiang are at least in Uyghur and Mandarin, Uyghurs are well represented in the arts, economy, and public life, hell Xinjiang is major tourist destination within China. Before Covid 300 million people visited each year.

The Uyghurs are one of the 56 recognized ands thus constitutionally protected minorities within the PRC. The PRC guarantees them everything the north american natives can only hope for.

what a disgusting thing to say

It is completely uncomparable to those atrocities