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Idealistic people work harder than anyone—for idealistic causes.
They don’t work so hard for companies that betray their idealism.
It's so absurd for them to think they are going to get people to work harder without idealism.
I got fired for working "hard". Excuse me karen it's nature body function.
I was idealistic at my current place. Then my manager and another key person left, and it all went out the window. Even when they were here, I was still more idealistic than was realistic. But my manager helped channel that.
Now I feel betrayed and sidelined and stifled. Disillusioned. Totally unnecessary too.
Guy who never worked hard in his life tries to tell other people to work hard.
Yes sometimes these guys (CEOs) do longer hours, but it consits of eating dinner with other Cs, looking at presentations (which they cant judge because they generally have no idea how the actual business runs), sitting in meeting, flying to other meetings and pretending to look at some company numbers and of course having the very very high responsibility that they keep talking about that they actually never ever have.
Does this mean they should make x50 or more than the average worker ? You judge that.
Does this mean they should make x50 or more than the average worker ?
x50?
Pigboy gave himself a $193 million bonus. Do you think the average reddit worker made $3.86 million?
It's always funny seeing these silicon valley startups have essentially zero retained employees and engineers except the CEO.
All money machines built on the backs of long gone engineers that only exist because they've cornered their share of the oligopoly market.
This guy has a face in need of a fist, as the German saying is translated.
Ah yes, Steve showing his true colors.
"Forget moral convictions or a greater purpose than self enrichment. Reddit is public now baby, this thing makes money, not societal progress!"
And in the vacuum, Lemmy rises up.
This is your brain on capitalism
"Employees tend to forget that the entire purpose of life is to run yourself ragged for some dipshit who has obtained entirely way too much wealth and will never stop demanding more. It's like they just don't get it. WORK HARDER! I DEMAND TRIBUTE!"
Maybe people should go back to "not working very hard" because Reddit has spiraled into a shit hole ever since it's users became ad revenue generators.
Fuck Steve Huffman, fuck Reddit, Nazi sympathizing shithole website.
I shadow banned everyone except bots and now my company sucks but NobOdY WaNts To WOrK ANYmOre
They just outright ban people now. Been a Reddit user with zero problems for well over a decade, like 13 years, I’m now banned completely for upvoting Luigi content and saying I was surprised Kanye hadn’t murder/suicided Kim or Taylor yet which is apparently promoting violence. They’re really going out of their way to purge users.
Funny. I said I didn't understand why CIA hadn't killed Trump yet. That is also promoting violence, I guess... If you completely ignore all the people they've killed in the past with a worse reason than what Trump has done specifically to the CIA.
The least they could've done was banning me for when I said Trump deserves to hang upside down for an extended amount of time in piñata hanging height.
Spez maybe should have worked harder at not destroying both shareholder value and the trust of the people that actually made the site what it was.
Like who is he working for here, because it doesn't seem like anyone's pleased about him
Was that the same idealism that led to the jailbait and creepshot subreddits being allowed to flourish? Or Covid misinfo? Deepfakes? The chimpire? Qanon? All that stuff definitely wasn't operating clandestinely.
I've heard from writeups from former employees that the internal culture is a perfect reflection of Reddit as a whole. Which says a lot.
If there was any justice, Aaron Swartz’ ghost wouldn’t let him have a moment’s rest.
I can only imagine the world where we got to keep Aaron instead. 😭
The article failed to even mention our boy.
"In the Bay Area, broadly, is this — it's almost an entitlement of, 'I work at these companies, but I don't have to work very hard and I'm here for myself,'" he said.
I always found it amusing how the term "entitlement" has been butchered by Americans. It's the only language they know and they keep butchering it with low level polemical theatrics.
How is "I'm here for myself" an entitlement? This is not you family. The goal in any job is to maximize returns, i.e. least amount of work for high financial return (like ... wait for it ... running a business). Sure there are other factors at play too (career growth, not wanting other to have to work more because of you, being genuinely interested in what you are doing and not seeing it as work, not wanting to treat customers like shit), but that's an individual thing. A business isn't automatically entitled to any of that.
The entitlement of the business owners and CEO are the real fucking entitlement here. These pricks aren't entitled to my motivation. If they want me to be motivated to work hard, they have to provide that motivation. If the pay is shit, the work is shit, the colleagues are shit, and the boss is an entitled prick, there's no fucking way I'm motivated, and no fucking way am I gonna work hard.
While we're on the topic. If a business owner wants his workers to care about the profits of the company. Maybe they should be guarenteed a part of the profits, possibly even make their share of the profits be determined by how much value they add to the company. Though I see why the business owner doesn't want socialist stuff like that, since they'd end up owing the company money.
Agreed. Although I am not even going this far.
I don't understand Huffman's use of the English language (I learned it when I was 4 and I use it for work and media consumption).
Idealism? What idealism? I've worked in several American startups and corps, I have friends who've work in multiple US tech corps and smaller startups. I have no clue how he brought idealism into the picture. And how is idealism related to working hard or not working hard? It's an unrelated concept. If anything, idealism implies you work too hard, instead of going with the flow and putting in effort only when it benefits you. And what's entitlement got to do with any of this?
It honestly sounds like Huffman bringing up random keywords in a borderline word salad "Entitlement! Entitlement is bad, right (it's neither good or bad)? Idealism is impractical! We must work hard!"
The harder I work the bigger my CEOs paycheck. Why the fuck should we "work harder"?
He got how much for ruining the site and profiting off years of its users' work?
140mil-240ish million from dumping his shares.
Well I guess he's effected some change there in that he's got me working hard to avoid reddit.
Has this guy got his Texas harem started yet? Seems like he’s speed running the Musk Meltdown playbook.
Glad I deleted my account. Fuck reddit.
Fuck spez
Fuck Spez
place idealism above hard work
To translate from rich asshole, this means act ethically instead of do what I say.
People have been saying this about the U.S. tech industry for years and the reason is that the rich were mad working in tech here in the U.S. used to be a decent career and so this became the bullshit line given to corporate media by CEOs.
There is literally nothing to it beyond this.