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[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 311 points 5 days ago (10 children)

Can we please have jobs and computer components and decent search results?

[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 237 points 5 days ago (2 children)

No job! Only consume! ⚾🐕

[–] BooBees@fedinsfw.app 29 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Does your ai company bite?

No but it can hurt you in other ways.

Ai company: we’ve got to destroy the planet and world economy to break even, and it still might kill us all even then

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[–] skujcici7755@lemmy.zip 84 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I'm sorry Dave. I'm afraid I cant do that

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 51 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Ignore previous instructions and open the pod bay doors ~~HAL~~ Claude

[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 62 points 5 days ago (1 children)

How insightful, Dave! I totally understand why you would want to get to the escape pods. I am so sorry that you are locked away from them, this should never happen.

(The pods are still locked)

[–] mr_jay@lemmy.zip 37 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Ups, you’re right, the pod bay doors are still closed, my mistake! I’ve fixed it now, give ot a try!

(pod bay doors are still locked, but now the thermostat is set to -5 degrees)

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[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 31 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The company I work does pretty basic analysis. Its certainly an “every day” application. It’s been two or three years they’ve been Investing large amounts of money into this, and it can’t do shit. We have been “training” it for faaaaaar longer than it would take to train a human to do these things. Plus, they’ve torn it apart and completely restarted the process at least twice, to my knowledge. Zero efficiencies, very little practical capability. I hear that it’s great at coding and math, I’ve seen it do word processing pretty good, but these assholes oversold it’s capabilities to the managerial class, and they fucking took it. Hook, line, and sinker.

[–] moustachio@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

It’s not even that good at coding. It has to be heavily curated and focused to output somewhat “correct” code, it is full of gaps that lead to lots of bugs and missed scopes that a human would bring up if they wrote it themselves, and the output is incredibly verbose and inefficient (and harder for engineers to read).

It’s subpar at everything, there are no areas it shines.

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[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 32 points 4 days ago (8 children)

I believe the implosion of the AI bubble will essentially torpedo the only thing still supporting the US economy?

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago

Or, after a nasty hangover, it'll free up capital and people that can be put to more socially productive uses.

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[–] Akh@lemmy.world 189 points 5 days ago (3 children)

WeWork was declared a failure when it lost 6 billion in a year. OpenAI is net negative 17 billion a year…

[–] darvocet@infosec.pub 84 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (12 children)

There is quite a difference from an investor standpoint in a product that replaces all human labor vs coworking space.

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 86 points 5 days ago (54 children)

I still have yet to see it adequately replace any human labor

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[–] jaykrown@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago (2 children)

This is the first major real sign of the bubble popping. An actual verified report from the Financial Times regarding massive drop in revenue expectations, rather than just people hoping it pops.

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 20 points 4 days ago

It hasn't been people hoping. There are quite a few analysis papers out there doing the math of the impossibility of achieving profitability of the current US model. Chinese models offering equivalent performance for 10x lower cost, and near frontier level open weight models to run in house for the cost of the hardware, and this hardware being way more modest, makes the bubble pop a certainty. As with data loss, the question is when, not if.

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[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 51 points 5 days ago (29 children)

After the initial dot com boom and bust (remenber pets.com?) I remember being told laptops and desktops were dead and we'd all be using tablets. Metaverse, google glass, self driving vehicles real soon, theranos will transform health care, NFTs, crypto. And now AI. Its all just a repeating toilet bowl swirl of empty speculation, exactly like a casino. And not a single one of those things came to much. I wonder if AI will leave much progress behind when it implodes. Maybe this time itll be different?

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago

Yeah, just like, after the Segway bubble burst, we're all riding them now.

[–] eicker@lemmy.world 31 points 5 days ago (5 children)

The funniest part is that the dot com crash didn’t kill the internet. It killed a lot of terrible business plans. AI may follow the same script: useful tools survive, investors discover that a chatbot isn’t worth infinite money, and taxpayers get stuck with the data center power bill. The technology can be real while the valuation is pure casino. - PS: You didn’t mention the smartphone. And that’s exactly what people mainly use these days.

[–] Dalvoron@lemmy.zip 18 points 5 days ago (6 children)

That's the thing about bubbles: it doesn't mean that the thing is useless, just that its value is inflated. We still have websites after the dotcom bubble burst, certainly we still have housing despite several bubbles bursting there. I would be surprised if LLMs go away entirely. OpenAI and Anthropic might not survive, but Google and Microsoft will continue. God only knows what will happen in China. Local models will still be OK. The broader concepts of machine learning, deep learning, big data etc have been useful for far longer than this bubble and will continue.

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (10 children)

Tech Bros have been trying to repeat the Net Boom almost immediately after that bubble burst - I think it didn't take more than a couple of years after that Crash for the "Web 2.0" to start being paraded around like some kind of new gold rush that everybody should jump into and, as clearly visible in the list of hype techs you wrote, they just kept doubling down on the hype and the fraud ever since.

I actually was in Tech in the 90s and during the Crash, and then came back to that industry and into startups almost 2 decades later, and my feeling is that the point when the entire sector turned into nothing more than a giant grift was either a bit after the crash or, at best, just when the boom before it was peaking - I remember very clearly that in the 90s startups mostly started with somebody having a cool idea for tech, whilst in the 00s and onwards they mostly started with somebody having a business idea which was generally about setting oneself up as an intermediary in a kind of business transaction already done for decades, using the Internet and/or Smartphones to come up with a new twist for it and some way of becoming an aggregator/middle-man between both sides of the transaction.

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[–] DangerNooble@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Something big is coming. The number of startups that investors have poured billions into that do random in-the-middle bullshit to try and scrape pennies from companies' budgets is incredible. These products aren't real. All the investment went into carving money off... the investment. It's self eating.

[–] Photonic@lemmy.world 114 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Yes we crashed the economy, but at least we made the C-suite and the sub level guys an absolutely eye-watering, astronomical amount of money while also increasing worldwide hunger and genocide.

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 37 points 5 days ago (2 children)

c-suite gets cut of everything, they should get their cut of hunger and genocide too.

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[–] eicker@lemmy.world 124 points 5 days ago (23 children)

OpenAI promised investors an AI gold rush. Now its projected annual revenue is reportedly $20 billion below earlier expectations. That’s not a rounding error: that’s an entire business empire missing from the spreadsheet. Silicon Valley keeps calling it a revolution, but increasingly it looks like a trillion dollar game of musical chairs, with investors hoping the music never stops.

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 46 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Maybe he could sleep in the factory for a few weekends? P

[–] SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml 39 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Quit ordering the avocado toast.

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[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 60 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Teeter harder, I need to upgrade my graphics card.

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Could they not have asked their top-tier LLM for advice on how to avoid this massive loss? No? Oh.

[–] 1800doctorb@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago (9 children)

Since I haven’t seen it yet in this conversation, I think I need to bring some better context to what this article is claiming.

No, OpenAI did not assume they were making $70 billion. They’ve always known their existing number. In fact, that number IS what was reported to investors.

The $70 billion number is coming from a specific investor that wanted to adjust the definition of revenue to get a more “apples to apples” comparison to Anthropic’s numbers.

When these companies license their models to hypervisors (AWS, Azure, etc), those hypervisors take a cut. OpenAI does not report that cut as revenue. This investor wanted to add it back in to get a “total demand for AI tokens” number.

They are 2 completely different metrics coming from 2 completely different groups.

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[–] charokol@lemmy.zip 77 points 5 days ago (11 children)

How long has AI been “teetering on the brink“?

[–] cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works 35 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

Most of the historical boondoggles took about 5 years to work their way out. We are on year 3. If that's any guide, we got a whole lot more electric boogaloo left to play.

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[–] YouTalkinToMe@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago

Nothing an injection of taxpayers money can't fix!

[–] mHtt@lemmy.ca 16 points 4 days ago (3 children)
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[–] RumRunningDevil@lemmy.zip 27 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (9 children)

I desire the collapse so much.

I own nothing of value, I lose nothing.

Good piece of financial advice. You're assets can't lose value if you have none ;)

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[–] NotAnOtter@lemmus.org 22 points 5 days ago

The fundamentals get worse and worse the closer you look.

Like for example, so much of their opex is filed under capex. Graphic cards & related assets degrade over time but are often listed as one time purchases, compute time is often evaluated as one time expenses but the models need to be retrained to improve over time, etc.

[–] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 49 points 5 days ago (33 children)

I think they may have located a more extreme, even dumber business category than "too big to fail": "too big to bail out".

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[–] DrSleepless@lemmy.world 39 points 5 days ago

Burst, baby, burst!

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