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Being the age I am, I’m just old enough to remember flip-phones.

A relatively simple concept that has been on my mind lately for reasons I’ll get to. Widely considered obsolete unless you just want a cheap phone to make calls etc., these phones featured a screen on one side, a keypad on the other, with a hinge joint between the two.

The reason that this device has been dragged back to the front of my brain in recent weeks is because I am reminded of them every time I see this:

To be clear: I’m aware that this foldable iphone is not the first foldable modern smartphone (I know Samsung released them years ago also).

But I’m also left wondering: what is the point? I think I can perfectly understand the use of flip phones as they were when they were popular, but foldable phones I just can’t see the benefit. As far as I can see, these foldable type of phones offer little to no benefit that you couldn’t get from, say a regular iPhone or Samsung phone, in terms of the consumer and how they are used in general life. I get that the hardware/software may be different, but that’s not going to be a factor in most people’s daily lives (you’re not going to care about the type of core, or the screen resolution when you make a phone call, etc.) It seems like it’s more of a gimmick from the companies making them to try and make more sales, but even if that’s the case, the product must have something unique to offer, so what is it about foldable phones that are so unique besides the gimmick of folding?

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[–] GatesMcBalmer@lemmy.world 111 points 6 days ago (43 children)

you’re not going to care about the type of core, or the screen resolution when you make a phone call...

It's not really a phone anymore. It's a portable pocket computer. Being able to unfold a larger screen makes sense for a portable pocket computer.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 33 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (8 children)

Yes, this is the answer and it's not that hard to understand.

What is hard to understand is the value proposition. Flips are more expensive for a lower spec device, and they're very unreliable--they're still breaking alot; wouldn't expect more than 2 years out of one.

For most people in the pocket computer market, their needs would be more economically served by a high end phone and a mid tablet, or a high end tablet and mid phone, both items having a naturally longer life than a flip, and will each be used less, and are individually replacable.

All-in-all, flip phones are a fine concept, but at their price point and longevity, they don't make a ton of sense for most people. Just easier to carry a tablet or put up with the smaller screen.

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[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 49 points 6 days ago (7 children)

No point.

We basically hit the ceiling with phones ten years ago.

There's no way to improve them without a massive shift in technology [think the shift from prop planes to jets]

Now they have to come up with new gimmicks to convince people to upgrade.

It's like 1950's Detroit putting bigger and bigger fins on cars that were basically the same as the 1930's technology.

[–] Cheese_man@lemmy.world 24 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's like oreos. These are the "double stuff" smartphones, haha.

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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 4 days ago

remember the curved glass, that gimmick dint last a year.

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[–] capital_sniff@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This is middle tech. It is like walking is to speed walking then running. One fold is proof of concept when we get to 3 or 4 folds that's where the magic happens. People watching a video without headphones out in public on a tiny screen, pretty annoying. We are three folds away from someone unfolding a 32" screen to watch their content anywhere also without headphones.

[–] weps@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

new folding phone concept it's one screen but folds out 2 speakers

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (7 children)

I don't understand. Do you not see that the screen doubles in size? It's like a 2 in 1 phone/tablet. That's the benefit.

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[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 32 points 5 days ago (5 children)

It's a full color tablet that fits in your pocket. That comes with huge quality of life improvements displaying PDFs, e-books, comics, spreadsheets, charts, diagrams, videos, etc. Have you ever tried reading a PDF on a phone screen? It sucks.

I've had a fold for a couple years now, and I use the inner screen constantly. If you don't read as much as I do it's probably just a gimmick, but it's great for me.

[–] ieightpi@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The foldable screen was a game changer for me. Id never had a ebook reader before and now all of the sudden I can read a book at work on my breaks. But also the coolest part is getting into graphic novels and comics for the first time in my life. Life changing.

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[–] bassgirl09@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago (3 children)

My motorola razr 2025 is a flip smart phone, and as a lady, it actually fits in the pockets of all my pants. My old non-flip phone did not fit in my pockets. It is common for ladies pockets (if pants even have them) to be less than 1/2 the size of pockets found in mens pants.

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[–] lonefighter@sh.itjust.works 14 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I wish they'd bring back slider phones with physical keyboards. Pre-smartphone days I used to have a phone (I don't remember what it was) that was a full touch screen with a physical home and back button on the front and then you flipped it sideways and the back slid down and there was an entire physical keyboard for easy typing/texting. I'm not interested in a folding smartphone, but if they released a slider with an actual keyboard I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I loved that phone and I loved being able to type on the screen with a digital keyboard for quick stuff or flip the keyboard out and use actual keys when I wanted to type a novel of a text message.

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[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

Eh its luxury tech, you dont need one. Whilegenerally phones areborong tech I am pro niche products and trying things

[–] Strider@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago (3 children)

As the owner of a fold6 I can tell you that one of the reasons I got it is that it could replace the occasional tablet use when you need more space eg maps and pictures.

In that, it succeeded quite well. However, everything is now optimized toward the standard phone format so it's nice but not really that important.

Would I buy a phone with a foldable display again? No, because after 22 months with like 1 fold a day the protection already comes off (replacing it is only 20€ if paid but I have to go on a field trip to get it made) and the price for the device is just not worth it.

So next time standard format again.

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 7 points 5 days ago
[–] tigermountain@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

I think it's probably the bigger screen size and an attempt to boost sales by offering something different because there's not much to really motivate the regular person to buy a new phone unless theirs is just old and needs a refresh. Now that I say that it makes me think there might be a big market someday for refurbished older phones because they don't have fucking AI in everything.

[–] weps@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

I often switch to my tablet for reading something on a bigger screen

If I wouldn't have a tablet, a folding phone would be able to provide the bigger screen.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 14 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Bigger screen, smaller pocket size.

They also break easier so you have to buy more phones.

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[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Well, if you're my friend's kid, the point is to make it super easy to accidentally shatter the screen when you close it.

[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)
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[–] RoddyStiggs@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 days ago

Fits in my pocket

[–] whiteblacula@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago (2 children)

The functionality of a tablet with the portability of a phone. Seems straightforward and practical to me idk

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[–] IamMoonPie@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Easy… I’ll give you the answer in one word…

NOSTALGIA

Us millennials thrive in the world of nostalgia and the market knows that.

[–] dismay3915@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

Flips are awesome, folds (opens on a vertical joint) are ass

[–] hdsrob@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

My (adult) son has had a Samsung Fold for several years now and really likes it.

For him, it's basically a phone and tablet combined, and he no longer uses a separate tablet.

It's also good for running two apps side by side, and I see him doing that a lot (you can setup app groups that automatically launch together on each half of the inside screen).

[–] _chris@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (9 children)

First off, hardly anyone under 50 uses a phone for calling any longer. It’s now a portable computer. I want a device in my pocket with a small footprint most of the time, but when I need a big screen for getting work done, I no longer need to carry around a tablet too. I can just unfold my phone and see a spreadsheet. Or take notes with a stylus. Or make some doodles. Or share a video with my wife or parents more easily that they can actually see.

So, it’s one device that has multiple functions in different forms. It also means I no longer need to have a ~$1200 phone and a ~$900 iPad mini, I can get both in a single $2000 device.

There are some companies making flip phones for the disconnected folks, if your primary need is a phone, go for it. The commodore one actually looks pretty cool.

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[–] Zarobi@aussie.zone 5 points 5 days ago
[–] Ydna@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

I've been a sammy Fold user since 2022, I'llnever go back to a typical phone. I don't use the tablet mode too often, maybe 1-2 times per week, but it's super handy during those situations. For me it's mostly spreadsheets, navigating Canvas (school website), some email. I got just shy of 4 years out of my last one. Previous device died after 1 year... inner screen died, phone still worked of course, but replaced it under insurance. I've been in a chain of trade-ins that offset the cost of each new one device once I got past the initial cost of my first one from back in the day. I bring it up because the high pricetag is a major downside for people, but the high trade-in value is a benefit (my current device was $900 off). It's definitely not for everybody, and definitely not something for the beach lol, but very useful to have a tablet available anytime.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Folding phones work great for selfies, you can use the front screen to compose the shot and and the quality of your rear camera.

I'd say they are slightly better in terms of watching videos. It really depends on the shape of the phone. Most of the time, the full screen is only slightly larger for widescreen content, but the big benefit is that there is a lot of dead space where you can hold the phone, or see captions without obscuring the video.

Folding phones are surprisingly much better for web browsing and reading. Larger views for web pages navigate much more easily, and the double-wide screen gives a lot of eye relief when reading e-books, and you spend less time turning pages, which does add up.

If you use any kind of remote desktop application from your phone, having the wide screen of a folder is a godsend. I do a lot of remote desktop shit on-call, and most of the time I just carry my phone with me instead of a full laptop.

Source : I use a Pixel 9 fold as my daily driver.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

less damage. less chances of dropping and shattering or scratching the screen

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