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From Wikipedia:
"A concentration camp is a prison or other facility used for the internment of political prisoners or politically targeted demographics, such as members of national or minority ethnic groups, on the grounds of state security, or for exploitation or punishment."
I'd say it tracks.
It is not new though, it started with Guantanamo concentration camp for Taliban fighters.
It is not new though, it started with Guantanamo concentration camp for Taliban fighters.
It is not new though, it started with 10 concentrations camps during World War 2 for Japanese Americans.
It is not new though, it started with Guantanamo concentration camp for Taliban fighters.
It is not new though, it started with 10 concentrations camps during World War 2 for Japanese Americans.
It is not new though, it started with concentration camps for the extermination and removal of the Native Americans
Hey! You skipped the civil war concentration camps on both sides, how dare you.
I've always thought it was hypocritical of Americans to be calling Nazis the worst. We literally enslaved a group of people for hundreds of years, bred and slaughtered them at our whim. Had concentration camps, and more. We're not better, and probably worse. We just had good propaganda.
Eh, I wouldn't say Americans reached the level of industrialized genocide Nazi Germany achieved but we definitely had and still have plenty of blood on our hands.
I'm not sure I'd agree, though maybe you're correct because it wasn't industrial. We put bounties on bison skulls though to encourage them being slaughtered because we new native populations relied on them, for example. It was brutal and systematic. Sure, we didn't use industrial means to actually kill them, but I don't think that makes it better or worse, only different.
Guantanamo Bay is/was its own fresh hell, but it was not a concentration camp.
Why is it not?
Because it was used for a select few (relatively speaking). It wasn't a camp built to concentrate a sizeable portion of our population into one small area.
America has been doing this for decades. Look at Guantanamo Bay. We used the excuse of terrorism then and now we're using the excuse of boarder security. As long as people can be controlled by their greed ~~of~~ or fear then this will continue to happen.
Edit: autocorrect...
Also look at FDRs concentration camps for Japanese Americans. This shit is a time honored tradition in this country.
Would you let your daughter date one of these men?
I know I wouldn't let her date You.
Fascist, racist ICE agents illegally abducting people and sending them to concentration camps? Hell no I wouldn't allow her to date one of them.
I didn’t know the criteria for not being placed in a concentration camp was whether or not I’d approve of them dating my hypothetical daughter.
Sorry mate, that rules you out - good luck at CECOT.
Are they already building ovens?
This might be a pile of bodies.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/people-spot-mystery-mound-world-200306315.html
It is my firm belief that anyone who would do this or approve of this image should be removed from society. There should be some kind of test where these images are shown to a person. If they are not disgusted by them they should be imprisoned for the safety of everyone else for life. Not imprisoned like they would but housed somewhere they can do no harm to anyone.
lol find a better picture, The guys in this picture that you put up are all criminals
How do you know that with certainty if they never had a trial or any kind of criminal proceedings?
These are not the people in the picture that were sent over by The Trump administration. These fully tattooed from head to toe with gang signs on them are all criminals that deserve to be there. If you are not from El Salvador or live there or been there Your opinion doesn’t matter.
you have a point. we can't defend our institutions by making heroes out of what the public sees as villains. we can, however, say "yeah, most of these guys probably are violent criminals but that doesn't invalidate the rule of law and the right of due process". the former will not help change public opinion, but the latter might.
but i'm a bit of a paradox. i happen to agree with trump's methods. i still see him as a dangerous narcissist, but if i could take that same power and use it to deport evangelicals, capitalist sociopaths, and conservatives, i absolutely would.
it's a war. we just have to win it. by any means necessary.
NAH bro free the guys!
But seriously these people are idiotic to use pictures like this where these guys are literal scumbags. If you have a chance watch La Vida Loca documentary on YouTube. They even killed the director that they allowed to film them at the end
not gonna do that. i don't need to be convinced that cartels and gangs are dangerous and brutal. i wasn't born yesterday.
my question to you is where do you draw the line at who gets due process and who doesn't?
This is not about due process this is about the picture you guys are using to try to prove your Point. Not one person in El Salvador would Agree to what you are trying to prove by using this picture. Also a majority of these guys in this jail already went through the court process. Look it up, But you’re probably not gonna do that. A lot of of the people in this new jail were already convicted criminals that were In old overcrowded jails that were ran by the gangs. There’s videos of them partying with hookers in the jails Before this one was built. El Salvador didn’t just build a new jail and decide to go find a bunch of people on the street and put them in there.
Also the documentary isn’t for you to pick and choose sides it’s actually a really good documentary
i never made any assertions about the documentary. i just don't want to watch it.
the way you keep saying 'you guys' is concerning though. are you a conservative?
No I’m an independent voter that has voted Democrat going back to Obama when I was first able to vote, Until this last election
How is this all going so fast, tho? Didn't it take the nazis a few years to get to this point?
The El Salvador facility was already built in 2022 during Pres. Bukele's national crackdown on gang violence. Since it was only running at half capacity (and to ingratiate himself with Trump most likely), Bukele has offered to incarcerate deported gang members there, especially those who were refused by their home countries.
America already had concentration camps in the form of ICE detention camps and prisons. The trials most faced before being sent to prison do not some how make those prisons not concentration camps. Those also have inhumane living conditions, forced labor, dehumanization, brutal violence, isolation from accountability, psychological torture and murder.
El Salvador is certainly worse, but we didn't get here overnight. The american people have been conditioned to accept this over decades by sending millions of people to internal slave labor camps with the thin excuse of "but they had due process!!!1!"
By the way, only some concentrations camps in Nazi Germany were exterminations camps. So even without any mass murder this can easily be regarded as equivalent in function to a concentration camp.
Specifically, extermination camps are industrialized human suffering. Something like an assembly line that builds cars, except the output is death.
All that said, splitting hairs about the definition of this stuff is not a good place to be.
One thing I noted is that the majority of the people that got deported had tattoos.
Are they intentionally seeking people like that?
This facility, built under President Nayib Bukele’s “war on gangs,” houses over 40,000 men, most of whom were arrested en masse without any process resembling justice—just tattoos, zip codes, or looking nervous.
Not just American deportees...
Or more interestingly evil...could they be given tattoos forcible to make them look like that?
They would have to be pretty fresh in photos. They take at least 2 weeks to heal
It doesn't have to be real tattoos or even really on them if they can Photoshop them in.
But shaved heads for sure and you can see many of them have a 5 o-clock head shadow, meaning that they don't shave often in real life.