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Trump just presided over one of the greatest diplomatic disasters in modern history, with flared tempers, raised voices, and shredded protocol.

Never before has a U.S. president bullied and berated an adversary, never mind an ally, in such a public way.

During a tense Oval Office meeting, Trump and JD Vance attacked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, demanding he accept a peace deal with Russia or lose U.S. support.

The conversation devolved into shouting, with Trump accusing Zelenskyy of being ungrateful and “gambling with World War III.”

The meeting ended in chaos, with no agreement reached.

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[–] x00z@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I checked a few parts for a few minutes. It was too painful to watch.

Troomp and JD couch showed the worst traits leaders could have. The obvious ones are the American superiority complexes and the toxic need to escalate and talk down upon others.

In all of the bits I saw when skipping trough it, Zelenksy deescalated the situation multiple times while Trump and especially Vance escalated and started talking like some pretentious teenager bullies that gotten themselves a country.

Fuck the USA.

[–] polite_cat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Zelenskyy is a goddamn hero

fuck trump fuck vance fuck musk fuck putin

[–] thisdude1092@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait, are you upset your favourite orange sack of shit is the laughing stock of the world, while Zelenskyy is unanimously praised?

Aw.

[–] thisdude1092@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

lol then go move to Ukraine if you wanna suck him so badly dawg

[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I know that's very natural for you to go around sucking off every man with a raised voice, but I'm not a republican, I don't do that. Thanks for the offer, you do you.

[–] freebee@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Most people would have taken the ride offer out of Kiev in 2022. That alone made him a hero. This new incident just adds even more to his hero status

[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Edit: Not you specifically, just in general.

[–] thisdude1092@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] archonet@lemy.lol -1 points 1 year ago

He is a hero lol

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And his most heroic act was not punching the old fart in the teeth

[–] lolrightythen@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I imagine it would be quite cathartic

[–] index@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Zelenskyy is a goddamn hero

He's far from being a hero. Zelenskyy just happens to be the president of a country being invaded, if trump was in his place you would be here calling him a hero. Zelenskyy is the president of an authoritarian government who turned to martial law and is drafting people by force while not allowing any male between 18-60 to leave the country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobilization_in_Ukraine#2024

"In 2023, harsher methods of mobilization began to be used, such as road blocks, business raids, and pulling people from the streets. In the latter half of 2023, videos surfaced online showing Ukrainian men violently dragged into vans and driven to the military recruiting centers"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANxo0gBM6GM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXhC8WREVKM

[–] finder585@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Zelenskyy is the president of an authoritarian government who turned to martial law

Active invasion of their country from Belarus and Russia. What a brain dead take.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobilization_in_Russia

Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics

The mobilization was accompanied by mass raids on men of military age. In the enterprises of the region, up to 80% of employees were called up, which led to shutdown of mines and public transport, as well as the paralysis of cities and public services. To avoid mobilization, residents hid or tried to illegally leave the republics.[21]

Recruitment of prisoners

Implementation

It was reported that Russian authorities were targeting poor, homeless and people from poorer regions of Russia for conscription.[79][80] Russian authorities drafted detained protestors with no previous military experience, including a 17-year-old boy who was arrested at an anti-war demonstration in Moscow.[81]

On 14 April 2023, Putin signed into law a bill that would allow authorities to issue electronic summons to draftees.[92][93] The law blocks anyone eligible for military service who has received a digital summons from leaving the country.[94] Russian lawyer Valeria Vetoshkina called it a "hidden mobilization." According to Russian economist Konstantin Sonin, "Now, any person, regardless of whether he took a summons or not, [or] has an account with Gosuslugi or not, can be arrested and convicted for not going to war."[95] Russian lawyer and human rights activist Ivan Pavlov said that the "only option is to leave the country as soon as possible, but there is very little time for that."[96]

[–] index@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks for reporting on the draft in russia too. Forced conscription is form of slavery and a violation of human rights, it should be abolished and every person should fight against it and against the governments forcing it on people.

When two countries drafting people by force and not allowing them to leave the country get into a war you get a total disaster where poor people are forced to murder each others. The rulers and government behind these authoritarian polices are criminal and enemies of humanity.

[–] stroz@infosec.pub 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When two countries drafting people by force and not allowing them to leave the country get into a war you get a total disaster where poor people are forced to murder each others

In this situation, one country got into a war. The other is defending its sovereign territory.

[–] index@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So if russia were to be attacked by china would it be ok for them to draft people by force to defend their sovereign territory? If you were someone living in russia would you be ok with putin goons arresting you if you try to leave the country?

[–] Saryn@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Your intellectual disability helped me with my case study on information integrity! Thank you for not deleting these.

[–] adam_y@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Real Art of The Deal shit.

Absolute fucking masterclass in statesman-like diplomacy.

Genuinely a moment for all Americans to be proud of. Truly, exceptional.

[–] datavoid@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Coming from YouTube, all the comments were saying Trump put Zelenksy in his place.. are people actually that stupid, or is the whole internet edgy rightwing bots?

[–] tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your comment had me go to YouTube to check, and almost all the top 30 comments were pro Zelensky.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

I wonder if YouTube shows you different 'top' comments based on their profile on you

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And then to top off his hissy fit, he kicked Zelenskyy out. Like the diaper wearing toddler he is.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

America is an enemy to freedom, democracy, and peace to the world; Americans just haven't felt it yet.

They will soon when the dictatorship turns violent, after all checks and balances are removed.

[–] LettucePrey@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Transgender Americans and other minority groups are feeling it for sure. It's just not the white suburban traditional family Americans who have felt the pinch yet (aside from the price of eggs).

[–] DirkMcCallahan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

As usual, Trump is projecting. Someone is "gambling with WWIII," but it sure ain't Zelenskyy.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I can't wait for Trump to die

[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not American but wouldn't that mean Vance becomes president? It's tempting to think he couldn't be any worse, but trump likes the fucker so who knows?

[–] wall_panel_96@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

After watching the trump, JD, zelensky situation, I lost a big of respect for JD. He acted like a twat. Trump is definitely a better president than him. President that is. They are both douchebags, but so far doing good for the country.

[–] Saryn@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You need to drink your meds, grandpa.

[–] wall_panel_96@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't indult your elders, grandpa's have been through some shit. Sadly I can't berate you with realities though as I'm not even close to being that old.

No indults. Got it, ya dipshit!

[–] wall_panel_96@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh shit. I just got here. I see Lemmy is dangerously woke too. Wishing someone to die is rather nasty. I do agree putting that on tv was stupid, world leaders should do all their negotiating (bickering) behind closed doors.

[–] shaserlark@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We are woke and bang hot liberal chicks. You are an incel and masturbate to anime and the fantasy of having a tradwife, a fantasy that will never materialize. We are not the same.

[–] blaggle42@lemmy.today 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know exactly how to put this, but I feel personally embarrassed by this.

I think this is going to shift world order more than expected. Every country now must be nuclear. Trump is going to try to install himself as a dictator. I think violence will have to be the answer. Man it's depressing.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Verat@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

Shame the cloudflare VPN wall doesnt let me sign it. It just loops a captcha at me that insta-fails.

[–] IronKrill@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

Trump's unreasonable nature is so obvious in the full video that I don't see how anyone with two braincells can be on his side. Some highlights I want to share:

Reporter asks at 37:39 "… and who would protect those minerals … ?" Trump: "They'll be protected. The agreement will protect them. The agreement, yeah we're signing an agreement." Reporter: "Right but what if Russia tries to invade or there's russian agression in those spots." Trump: "I just don't think that's going to happen." He then deflects by trying to discredit the reporter since he couldn't answer the question. So instead of giving Ukraine any guarantees or acknowledging Russia's previous deceit, he hand waves it away.

At 33:45 "… what did [Putin] tell you that he wanted peace?". Trump: "My whole life is deals … I've known him for a long time, he had to suffer through the Russia hoax, you know Russia Russia Russia it was a hoax. It was all Biden it was nothing to do with him … I think that he wants to make a deal and he would like to see it end." What an absolute nothing answer. He's asked why he believes this is viable and after a short attempt at making Russia the victim he just says, rephrased, "because, lol".

At 39:50 Vance goes on a truly incoherent ramble about how Biden tried "thumping [his] chest and pretending that the president of the United States words mattered more than the President of the United States's actions" and thus "the path to peace and the path to prosperity is maybe in engaging in diplomacy". Ah, diplomacy, the path that is famously known for it's lack of words... sending money to Ukraine or providing military aid? Those aren't actions, they're just words. Zelensky goes on to ELI5 to Vance how Putin broke diplomacy before the clips everyone is posting begins.

And just for fun, at 30:15 Trump delivers a line so stupid it almost breaks Zelensky's poker face: "I've stopped wars, I've stopped many wars. My people will tell you, I've stopped wars that nobody ever heard about. I stopped wars before they ever started. … I could give you a lot of nations that would tell you right now they were probably going to war — I could tell you right now there is a nation thinking about going to war on something that nobody in this room has ever even heard about."

This is ignoring all the times they try and blame Biden for Russia invading Ukraine which just ???

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Congrats Never Genocide people posing as Progressives. We fucking warned you that exactly this was going to happen. Trump and his cult would side with Russia and throw Ukraine under the bus.

Great fucking job.

And great fucking job, Mods, for protecting those fucks in the name of civility.

We are the baddies now. And we got here because you'd rather protect Nazis from being punched in the mouth for their words and actions in the name of civility.

[–] Tezzerets_Tea_Time@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thank fucking God we didn't vote for Harris because she wouldn't outright condemn Israel. Totally worth everything happening now (that any remotely educated and reasonable person warned about).

[–] SloganLessons@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Better to suck Putin’s cock than to have a female president

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Doing God's work in excusing the DNC's unwillingness to do what it took to defeat Trump (just like, right now, they're not doing what it takes to stop him).

For the instinctive ass-kisser it's never the Royalty who is to blame, always the plebes.

With an "opposition" that doesn't actually oppose and is ever less representative of the population, Project 2025 was always going to happen, sooner or later, since the trend of the last 2 decades has been ever more of far right populism, propped up by the Democrats' ever more Rightwing policies and ever less trying to represent the broader population (and repeatedly using "we're not them" as their entire electoral strategy).

You know what might've worked? Not having licked the boots of the Democrat Leadership during the last decade or two.

Now, you're getting to enjoy the bed you made for yourself.

[–] jalkasieni@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

They really have you all wrapped around their fingers, don’t they? Your democracy is literally on fire around you and the best both ”sides” can do is bicker whose fault it is.

[–] El_guapazo@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago
[–] Adori@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago