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No doubt the threat of a Stripe ban on Kickstarter is predicated on the expected ban on Stripe by MasterCard and or Visa.
In other words, online censorship is being controlled by two credit card companies.
We really need more payment processors, preferably not based in the USA.
I know this isn't new, but I think we can officially consider our society a cyberpunk one, where corporations control global policy.
Plus: AI assisted omnipresent survailance, Police states, needless tech everywhere, no one owns anything just subscriptions...
We need more of every company that is not American. There are no global companies just American ones that operate in other countries. And yes I know there are other countries that have global companies but if they operate in America that still poses a risk. As if they continue to want to they may have to do what American Government wants like MS has admitted to.
Businesses deciding what rights we have is the part of capitalism no one talks about. I'm so tired of unelected people making rules for my life.
I’m so tired of unelected people making rules for my life.
When people ask if I trust the government on any conversation that things like this come up I tell them my motto is "Don't trust the government, unless it means trusting a corporation. Then DEFINITELY don't trust the corporation."
I like this a lot, well said
Fuck them all why can a company decide what is "right" If Kickstarter doesn't want NFSW content then fine that is their choice it is their platform. But why should a payment processor be able to tell you what you can and can't have.
It's also because of "Karens". Your average business wouldn't give a shit what you do, if there wasn't other losers making trouble because somebody else doesn't live by their standards.
True. We've been there for ages with the advertisement ecosystem we live in ofc
We desperately need sovereign digital currency like the digital euro project
Good luck using those digital euros if you criticize Israel. Or try to use them to buy a unapproved VPN service. Or any thing now or in the future deemed inappropriate.
Yeah and I'm sure Visa and MasterCard will be very accommodating
The alternative to corporatism isn't fascism, in fact they're the same thing at different stages. Accepting the fascists because they are an 'alternative' to corporations is like accepting castration because it is an alternative dentistry.
But what I propose wasn't fascism at all, saying there should be sovereign currency is a separate point for how it's governed
Regardless of what power structure we have in the future the need for that currency to be accessible to all and free from corporate interests is paramount
Just curious if kickstarter is in the wrong here or not. Because when it was Valve, lots of folks were losing their minds blaming Valve for capitulating to Stripe and Visa/MC.
People really like to hate on Valve. Well, some people and lots of bots.
I still remember when we used to own games. :(
Go full opensource. Sure that restricts the games available. But then no one owns the game, and no one will ever take it from you.
Valve didn't capitulate tho.
The way you'd have heard them tell it, Valve folded like a cardboard box.
They did, they removed all content that Mastercard / Collective shout doesn't like.
We're due for a second sexual revolution.
I'm just picturing a riot but instead of axes and pitchforks they are holding body pillows and fleshlights
Puritans
Dumbasses, should have told stripe to pound sand like Master card and visa. This platform is going to die in this econ if they pull that.
Mastercard and visa are likely who made stripe do this
And they still wont introduce crypto payments
Crypto is only better because of the hosters.
Watch the Video Line go up by Folding ideas. Crypto is just as much controlled by the people having the means as the banks are
I read Kickstarter and thought Patreon. That would be a huge blow to nsfw content. This is still upsetting.
I understand why people would think that this could be due to influence from the morality police type groups, but there's also a pretty boring explanation. Kickstarter is seeing an increase in NSFW content and Stripe has never allowed that.
So, knowing how risky it is to try to go on social media and examine a situation with nuance... It's pretty well understood in the industry that fraud rates are much higher for NSFW-related content
This is why your favorite porn website doesn't charge your card directly and uses a third-party processor who charge them an increased fee (insurance) to eat the charge backs and fraud claims rather than having Visa or Mastercard block them.
Stripe doesn't do adult-industry payments. Here's the oldest page I could find in the Wayback machine, from 2012: https://web.archive.org/web/20120511082217/https://stripe.com/terms
- Prohibited Businesses
[...](38) sexually-oriented or pornographic products or services, [...]
Kickstarter uses Stripe and so is bound by their terms. The terms are not new, they are at least 14 years old.
The thing that is new is Kickstarter is increasingly being used for NSFW content which violates the contract of the payment processor that they use.