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[–] spaceracoon@lemmy.zip 99 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Man it's so funny how the only company that even thinks about allowing you to not have AI, gets so much shit from people.

OK you don't like AI, you can turn in off. They added an option for that. Meanwhile Chrome is automatically downloading 4gb worth of models without your consent. Same with basically each other browser.

Folks are free to use whichever distro they like, Librefox, Waterfox, but remember that without Mozilla foundation the very engine would stop working. Then these forks will not work anymore. Then where will you go? Chromium? Safari?

It's important to keep companies accountable, but nothing is ever black and white.

[–] czardestructo@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

Yeah I get the feeling like 70+% of people here will never understand that.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 30 points 4 days ago

People seem to care more about synthetic benchmarks than using a browser that gives them much less tracking and ads. Remember when chrome was popular because its so fast? I never noticed a difference between that and Firefox in ordinary web pages, except Googles, since they are intentionally making it slow for Firefox.

And with all that going on, people still picked chrome. :)

[–] KatherinaReichelt@feddit.org 13 points 4 days ago

Yeah - people love to shit on Mozilla while posting from fucking Google Chrome or Microsoft Edge.

[–] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

OK you don’t like AI, you can turn in off. They added an option for that. Meanwhile Chrome is automatically downloading 4gb worth of models without your consent. Same with basically each other browser.

Because Chrome is used by normies who have no idea and wont care while Firefox is used by tech-literate users who care and like to tinker. The backlash was because FF implemented AI that you had to go to about:settings to disable. Result of backlash - a switch in settings to disable it.

It would be smart to implement AI and advertise people that they can switch it ON if they want to. Not the other way.

Folks are free to use whichever distro they like, Librefox, Waterfox, but remember that without Mozilla foundation the very engine would stop working. Then these forks will not work anymore

There is nothing to go to. But if we accept the outcome, we just submit to the system. Might as well switch to chrome at that point hoping that Servo gets developed fast enough. Firefox would lose their browser share at an instant once they are not different from chromium based browsers. Basically seppuku themselves.

Not understanding your user base is how you get a backlash.

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[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 42 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Now if only Apple will let Firefox run its own rendering engine instead of Safari’s.

Like, that’s the only thing I don’t get. Other apps which are not web browsers, fine. Use Safari. But an actual web browser? FFS, let them use their own engine.

[–] pwxd@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 days ago

You can! There's a browser called reynard and it's based off gecko web browser but you still need to sideload them, it isn't available in App Store :-(

The main goal for this browser is to make web browsing usable for older iOS, I find it pretty neat so I wanted to share this!

https://github.com/byeCl0ud/reynard-browser-compiled

[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

its just that Apple forces Webkit to all Apps on the app store.

Orion has gotten around that, somehow. Not sure what kind of wizardry they’ve pulled, but they managed to get both Firefox and Chrome extensions working on iOS.

[–] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (3 children)

That's Apple's explanation why, but it has flimsy justification. There is no technical reason why Firefox mobile can't use the Gecko rendering engine on Apple iOS. So, unlike every other graphical OS I've ever heard of, you can't really pick your browser. You can only play dress-up with Safari and pick its outfit.

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[–] skami@lemmy.ml 74 points 5 days ago (12 children)

Nice but it's kinda wierd how people decided to use these browsers after this new law was passed, I mean it's so easy to install apps on smartphones right now but people needed this choice screen to choose another browser of their liking? I would guess it's probably old people that switched that didn't know how to install browser without it, I googled but couldn't find any prove of this tho so it's just my guts

[–] axh@lemmy.world 126 points 5 days ago (2 children)

It's laziness. Most people just take the path of the least resistance.

Once you show them the screen, any choice is the same amount of work so they will select what they really want. But without the screen, 90% of people will be good enough with the default option. Or, they might even be mildly uncomfortable with that option, but not enough to do something about it.

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 56 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It’s laziness. Most people just take the path of the least resistance.

we all do in many parts of life

[–] axh@lemmy.world 47 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I didn't say it's a bad thing. If someone tried to pay attention to every little choice they make, they would be exhausted before the morning coffee.

What kind of browser I use is important to me, since I am a geek. But I don't pay attention to many things that more socially adept people would consider important.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 17 points 5 days ago

If someone tried to pay attention to every little choice they make, they would be exhausted before the morning coffee.

Story of my life.

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 13 points 5 days ago (3 children)

the trick is to know what is worth paying attention to and what is not

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[–] skami@lemmy.ml 18 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Yeah I guess people doesn't really care all that much about giving information to big tech, it's so normalized today, in my university (I am a student) when I tell people I don't use Instagram or TikTok and whatnot they look at me like I am crazy, tbh maybe if we define crazy as "not doing what everyone around you does" maybe I am

[–] axh@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

people doesn't really care all that much about giving information to big tech

I was one of those people some time ago. I remember doing it deliberately and saying "what will they do to me? Offer me a product that better suits my needs?"

I never had any issues because of that...

right now I decline each time, the more work it costs me, the more motivated I am to decline every single marketing consent.

I do it out of spite, because of all the enshitification happening to services I used to like, and I just try to make their life harder.

I really hope that Google will, some day, miss one cent needed for some huge multi billion deal thanks to my resistance! ;)

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[–] morto@piefed.social 31 points 4 days ago (1 children)

We tend to overestimate people's skill in tech. The average user uses what came installed, doesn't like installing and experimenting apps, uses a browser while logged in to google, taps yes on everything, will install apps when sites ask for it, without even noticing, and will register in every site or app that asks for it, and even give their real email, name, etc

[–] yetAnotherUser@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

And there are probably many users that do all of this due to being afraid that things might just start breaking, or that more actions they don't understand will be required to keep the system rolling, if they stray from this path for even a little.

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[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago

it’s so easy to install apps on smartphones right now

Providing choice as a default is precisely about people who are influenced by defaults. It's NOT about how feasible something technically is.

[–] hexagonwin@lemmy.today 24 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

i've legit seen many people who have no idea what a web browser is, internet == chrome/safari/edge (which opens automatically when clicking a link on some app) for them. this isn't just older people, actually it's usually worse with younger people.

[–] Samsy@lemmy.ml 13 points 5 days ago

Meet my wife! Since this screen, she uses the duckduckgo browser (iOS) Idk why, she neither, but she is happy with it.

[–] minorkeys@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 days ago (4 children)

It isn't that weird. Users have a very low tolerance for independence, especially as tech markets itself to less and less tech savvy userbases(like Gen alpha and z). They do what their screens tell them to for the most part.

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[–] carrylex@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

It's like browser war 1.0 all over again but only on mobile...

(Microsoft had to do the exact same thing after they preinstalled Internet Explorer with Windows)

[–] oats@piefed.zip 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

If i want the internet, I tap on the little internet app. Wth is a browser?

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[–] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Now if Mozilla would finally get a CEO who is not driven by stupid capitalistic bullshit, I would actually start using Firefox again.

Until then, I stick to WaterFox.

[–] foxfell@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 days ago (12 children)
[–] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 days ago

For the same reason I don’t like Chromium or Alpine Linux. Minimalism can be nice, however in most cases too many features were stripped away to be useful tools. At least for me, so no offense to people who love the minimalistic approach :)

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[–] Fuckswearwords@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Does anyone here know how to get the old menu UI back on mobile?

I can't get used to the new one. It's not ergonomic at all imo.

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