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submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by SlayGuevara@lemmygrad.ml to c/comradeship@lemmygrad.ml

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Social media is flooded with people celebrating the events in Venezuela and it is not abnormal to feel frustrated or even confused by this. This is part of the plan to legitimize these events. This is how consent is manufactured.

You are fighting the CIA and multibillion dollar tech companies shaping these narratives. We as communists are simply outnumbered in this, so it is normal to not reach the crowds they do.

Practice marxist discipline, read theory regarding these subjects. Books like the Jakarta Method or Manufacturing Consent are good starts. Read in on Venezuela. Head over to prolewiki to see what's available, and don't lose hope.

Edit: or, as comrades here said, read Inventing Reality instead of MC

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[–] i_c_b_m@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It's quite useful to tie this event to the Zionists Entity, too, considering they've never been more hated than they are right now.

Since Chavez, the zionazis have had Venezuela in their crosshairs due to them exposing Israel for what it is. Machado openly declares herself a puppet of Israel all the time. Machado requested Israel overthrow the Bolivarian government in that leaked letter. The Zios have even been hysterically claiming Venezelans are Hezbolla, Hamas and Iranian which is a real 🤔 moment. Showing the connective tissue between US imperialism, Israel and Venezuela could be a good entry point for people who's political awakening is on the Palestinian cause.

To be clear, Shitrael is a rabid dog proxy of the US (not the other way around). I hate how much of that shit I'm seeing lately.

[–] SlayGuevara@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The last one is just antisemitism with 'the Jews run everything'. Sadly that thought seems to be around a lot.

[–] i_c_b_m@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Yeah, for the most part. I've had a few conversations which fall something along the lines of 'Zionism is not Judaism -> Zionism is a political movement -> America used to be a good country -> Zionism has corrupted America'. Maybe it's a weird nuance of some kind of neo-antisemitism, but I'm leaning more toward some people being unable to accept daddy amerikkka has always been like this.

[–] SlayGuevara@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The comments on social media everywhere made it shockingly clear that a lot of people have no historical knowledge whatsoever. They are unaware that the US has been doing this shit for decades now. The only difference is that they are now really, really open about it. No CIA cleverness to be found in Venezuela.

[–] i_c_b_m@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

History is far too dangerous to the empire to let people learn it.

I was talking to some mid-20s white suburban american kids that we invited over to our home a few months ago. It was bleak. We came away from the experience thinking of them as slack-jawed tiktok-brained zombies that were barely able to make eye contact or communicate at even a basic level. They were borderline illiterate. We tried to cover a lot of history to find something they knew anything about, which was almost nothing at all (which for a ML, can be a moment of great opportunity). But it was just a couple of dead neurons staring at their feet who didn't show even a modicum of interest or belief, nor would they accept any primary sources of any kind; not books, videos, documentaries, declassified CIA documents. Nothing. We gave them copies of Marx, Lenin and a book about Uncle Ho. We know they will never read them, but fuck it, you have to try, right?

Couple things I found interesting:

they had "heard" of Iraq2 but not Iraq 1. Didn't know a single thing about either despite growing up with it almost their entire lives.
Knew nothing about the USSR but had just assumed they were allied with Nazi Germany.
Believed the Soviets tried to genocide the Ukrainians and now "Poo'en" was coming back to finish the job for no apparent reason.

No CIA cleverness to be found in Venezuela.

It reminds me of Allende in that regard. Open imperialist thuggery and they just rely on the empire drones to be too racist to care.

[–] Malkhodr@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 8 months ago

Speaking about politics, especially foreign policy, for a lot of Americans is considered a bit of a social taboo, at least among white suburbanites in my experience. I've one person in my family from this group, and though I do care for them on the basis of the fact they are family, it's very clear they are uncomfortable with interrogating uncomfortable realities or personal held beliefs. They'll immediately say it's rude to speak about politics or religion at a family gathering, but the rest of us non-whites have no issue with arguing on the topic, even when people fundamentally disagree. However the older white suburbanite just refuses to apply their, some times genuinely abundant knowledge, into something actually coherent. In the case of my family again, it's someone who could legitimately speak to you for over an hour on the abuses of white settlers against the native people, bringing up information that they clearly investigated before hand. Yet if you talk about the politics of today, suddenly your being unpolite. It's a really baffling experience for me, as I've just never struggled with the same lack of curiosity.

[–] ProudCascadian@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

suburban american kids

The American suburbs are the most damaging part to any Marxist-Leninist movement. A suburban house is essentially a little isolation box where class struggle is far away and U.S. propaganda is up close working its magic. Usually the life in the 'burbs would be:

Wake up, get ready
Watch the morning news (U.S. propaganda)
Get ready to go to school, where people will only learn about what they are told
Watch the evening news (U.S. prop)
Go to bed

Anything connecting people to real, material struggle comes like an unwelcome guest. This is the America so many people want to preserve against all odds.

[–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 8 months ago

There's a somewhat explicit connection between the creation of suburbia in the US and anti-communism too.

“No man who owns his own house and lot can be a communist,” he once said. “He has too much to do.”

(This is attributed to William Levitt, who is credited as the father of USian suburbia.

https://time.com/archive/6598189/suburban-legend-william-levitt/

[–] i_c_b_m@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 8 months ago

In this case, replace the 2 & 4 with TikTok and instagram. At some point 3 transitions into selling your labour to someone who constantly threatens you with unemployment and homelessness. I get it.

They're definitely not happy or functional people in my experience. The impression (maybe even analysis) I keep returning to is the Infinite Slop Machine they're chained to has left them so intellectually and socially underdeveloped -- coupled with no desire to address those deficiencies, gives me no hope at all. If anything, they're closer to become better slaves than revolutionaries. Not even a western thing, It's becoming like that here too.

[–] ProudCascadian@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 8 months ago

"has corrupted America" is a massive talking point and a huge pain in the ass.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Didn't worked for Ukraine though.

[–] i_c_b_m@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

No, but I have seen very little western political awakening on Ukraine; painting their faces blue/yellow on instargam didn't count for much. By the time 10/7 happened, westerners seem to have become very entrenched in the fake US narrative. It's been extremely difficult to dislodge them from those positions with any amount of evidence.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 0 points 8 months ago

https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/

Great read challenging the theory of how propaganda works laid out in books such as Manufacturing Consent and Inventing Reality.

[–] Moidialectica@hexbear.net 0 points 8 months ago

It's been a bit of a shock to me yesterday, though I know I have to wait, join protests if I can, and talk to my community to change minds, and that I can't really do anything from half the globe away, I still feel like shit, even despite understanding all I can do is what I've always been doing

[–] MissGibraltar59@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 8 months ago

I have faith that this will open the eyes of those who were blind up to this point. But even if it won't, don't ever stop spreading the truth. Evil runs on deceit and lies, faith and hope runs on truth and wisdom. Never shut up, keep your mind clear, always resist with words and keep organizing.

[–] ComradePupIvy@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I will point out, every time they try to manufature concent, every time they ask the people not to beilive their lieing eyes, there will be some fall off, no propoganda campaign is perfect, our job is to enaure that they fall off to our side, for a lack of a better term, and to get more people to trust what is happening before them, befpre the propoganda narrative hardens.

[–] Des@hexbear.net 0 points 8 months ago

be vigilant because there are far too many vaguely "anti-imperialist" fascists out there right now happy to catch them.

[–] yunqihao@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 8 months ago

I'd say skip Manufacturing (the age of) Consent and just read Inventing Reality instead.

[–] sousmerde_rtrdataire@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Why would venezuelans revolt against participative democracy ? These accusations of dictatorship can't apply for once.
https://x.com/i/status/2007752956016476515
https://x.com/i/status/2007470177508860377
https://x.com/i/status/2007918112696614959
https://x.com/i/status/2007691484322247101
https://x.com/i/status/2007691205837238546
https://x.com/i/status/2007797250320412991

https://x.com/i/status/2007630518683349184
https://x.com/i/status/2007588951608177081

(note that a numeric identity emitted by our governments, as is currently being applied all over the western world, will obviously not protect us from the astroturfing of our government/allies, they'll use it to fight "extremism")

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yea... I came around the news during a big family trip (petit bourgeois family) and it's infuriating how the supposedly "well read" petit bougies from my family just parrot american propaganda and cheer for whatever they do, and the worst part is that they started daydreaming about the US bombing Mexico 🥴

Watching videos from allegedly Venezuelan diaspora dancing and celebrating as if we didn't see Syrians doing exactly the same 1 year ago and their country going to shit.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago

I recommend inventing reality by parenti instead of manufacturing consent

[–] big_spoon@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

thanks...sometimes it feels like people are truly happy to see a president being kidnapped by false accusations of a regime ruled by an old pedophile with dementia, or that really think that the issues that venezuela faces were just chavismo's fault and not by the sanctions and a well-oiled propaganda machine

[–] rainpizza@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 8 months ago

The CIA propaganda machine is working overtime these days. To counter it here and lift the mood, I will try to post the reality that they are struggling to hide which is the massive protest against the USA and in favor of Venezuela's Maduro in Venezuela and around Latam.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago

Can anyone share links to some nice printable agitprop?

[–] Saymaz@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 8 months ago

Little note: Read 'Inventing Reality' instead of 'Manufacturing Consent'. It's a far better book.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 0 points 8 months ago

The Conservative Propaganda Machine.