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[–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 100 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

Meanwhile he's still there.

And let me be clear. I'm sick tired of all this "he's the one bad guy" idea. He's the shitty tip of the massive shit-iceberg of what is happening in the US. The Rep are stealing the whole fucking country and turning the population in legions of ignorant bigots.

If this keep going. History will be what they decide.

[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 20 points 6 months ago (2 children)

You missed a golden opportunity to say "shit-berg" just thought you should know

[–] SparkyBauer44@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Shit birds of a feather...

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[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (6 children)

right you are... which is why I see no way out of this for Americans without a civil war

there can be no reasonable negotiation when one part says "let's negotiate" and the other one says "no, you die or we kill you, end of discussion"

[–] Credibly_Human@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (9 children)

The huge problem here, is a bunch of people who arent maga, will refuse to fight together, making any civil war a trivial win for the magas who are ready to fall in line.

Here we are on a decentralized platform filled with idealists who literally hate any other leftists or center people who don't align with them 99.99999% on every single issue under the sun.

Division is often a bullshit word to encourage compromising with those that cannot be compromised with. Its super fucking relevant here though.

The infighting will mean an instant loss.

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[–] Credibly_Human@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Truly. The delusional people online chriping up about "wrong side of history" grind my fucking gears.

Talk about premature celebration.

Yall literally do not have a plan to stop him yet. The fuck you mean he'll go down in history books this way or that way.

Bitch he's your president right now.

You need to deal with that, and the fascist republicans first.

Right now, they're winning and robbing you blind simultaneously.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 months ago

Lots of people don't understand where Trumpism comes from so they believe (or delude themselves through wishful thinking) that once Trump is gone, everything will just "return to normal," the anomaly will pass just as it came, and it'll be like a bad dream.

This is obviously nonsense. The conditions that created Trumpism are still present and worse than ever, and there's a large segment of the population in this radical right-wing media sphere that propelled Trump to power in the first place and isn't going to disappear just because one person retires or dies.

But this is why these people are so invested in upholding the status quo, because they don't understand how the status quo brought us here.

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 30 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Trump will become the symbolic image of this period of American history

But the most prominent part of this period of political history is the fact that America allowed this idiot into office in the first place.

The dumb part is not that Trump is who he is ... the dumb part is that a whole mass of people, professionals, academics, politicians and leaders either helped, supported or stood by to let this dumb leader into the highest office and keep him there ... and to say the least, the American people who all debated among themselves endlessly to the point of allowing this dumb leader to their highest office.

Trump is dumb sure .... but the dumbest part of this whole thing is that an entire country paved the way for this one dumb leader to represent them all.

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago

the dumb of the many outweighs the dumb of the few (or the one)

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Trump will become the symbolic image of this period of American history

Yup.

Our legacy in the history books is tied to Trump and the future is going to view us as a generation of bumbling fools. Garbage people. That's our historic legacy.

A very embarrassing time to be an American.

[–] jaaake@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I agree with all of this, but when people talk about Nazis, they mostly talk about Hitler. Only historical scholars talk about how the Nazi party was the largest democratically elected political party in the German parliament during the Weimar Republic. Only deep study starts to discuss the capitalist influence of steel and coal magnates and companies like Deutsche Bank pressuring President Hindenburg to instill Hitler as chancellor.

Make no mistake, we won't learn from this. The overwhelming narrative will be "somehow, the emperor returned." I pray we make substantive changes to our government to prevent the overreach that the office of president is currently exhibiting. It's insane that everyone is watching multiple blatantly illegal things occur daily, but the Supreme Court has ruled that it is impossible for the president to be on the wrong side of the law. I can see that changing if we ever regain control of the executive branch, but I think the general public will eventually come to think of this era as Trump being a Hitler like figure who shoulders almost the entirety of the blame for what has happened and what is yet to come.

[–] pno2nr@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You can't actually Trump me, I am way older than 13.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

dark. accurate. excellent.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 21 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No lol, he will be remembered for truly reflecting the vulgarity of the American empire. He's making himself and the class he belongs to wealthy beyond measure. He isn't traitorous to those he is actually beholden to.

[–] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Considering how fucked up a lot of US presidents have been he'll be in good company

[–] LordOfLocksley@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Trump means fart in the UK

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[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago (5 children)

For me, as a European, Trump genuinely isn't a whole lot worse than the previous American presidents. Pretty much all of them were war criminals who actively worked to make Europe weak and divided.

If anything, with Trump we're getting closer to a federal Europe than ever before. I'm not necessarily saying I want a federal Europe. Regardless of that, USA worked tirelessly for decades to make sure it's not formed. That's one good argument in favor.

Just in case, this isn't meant to portray the current US president in any positive light. I highly doubt that's even possible.

[–] SippyCup@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 months ago

You're not wrong. Trump has absolutely committed treason but so did Nixon and Kissinger, in very much the same way. Not to mention the war crimes from Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton and W. Trump has absolutely raped a minor but he's not the first president to have done so in our lifetimes. Rounding up immigrants and Brown American citizens and sending them to whoever will take them isn't new either. That's been happening since the 1930s.

Trump is only unique in how brazen and open he is about it, and how many crimes he's willing to commit at once.

[–] lorty@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

For anyone outside the US, there's barely any difference between Trump and your average US president. The only difference is that he says the quiet part loud sometimes.

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[–] Jyek@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago

Well y'all can have him. Right now that pedophile is putting hard working people out of work and letting the poorest among us miss meals all while he rounds up people with darker skin than him to make them disappear. I'm really much more concerned with the evil he is doing here at home than the federalization of Europe. Plank in your own eye and all that.

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[–] tornavish@lemmy.cafe 15 points 6 months ago

You dirty fucking Trump

[–] Tommelot@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

"Elected by the American people... Twice!"

It's hard to undersell how important that last bit is. Americans want to blame Trump for their gut feelings and pretend it wasn't them who fucked up.

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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 months ago

I mean, maybe it will be, but only if the history books share your agenda of whitewashing the country and pretending Trump's an external problem, rather than an internal problem and a symptom of something that's always been here, exacerbated by declining conditions.

[–] QuantumTickle@lemmy.zip 14 points 6 months ago

"to Trump" used to mean to overpower, to outsmart, or to otherwise invalidate your enemies.

I can't use it that way anymore. To me it means to backstab, betray, or sell out for a trinket not even any real gain.

Trump is a traitor to the American people.

[–] YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

“To Trump” already means “to fart” in some parts of the world.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 months ago

Now it can mean more!

"I trumped, then went to the bathroom and took a massive trump."

[–] bremen15@feddit.org 12 points 6 months ago (3 children)

There are so many assumptions in here.

  1. America will be relevant in the future.
  2. Common people will talk about America or its history several generations down the line.
  3. No one worse will have come along and trumped what Trump does.
[–] svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Of course people will talk about American and its history several generations down the line, the same way we still talk about the Ottoman Empire.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)
  1. Assumes Trump’s and Republican actions won’t be whitewashed by the establishment and swept under the rug should we elect a Democrat/liberal.
  2. Assumes we don’t have an autocracy that prevents us from doing anything about it anyway.
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[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 6 months ago

No again for the hundredth time trump isn't a unique evil for America outside the norm he's the norm for the American empire and its greedy imperialist history.

[–] rothaine@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 months ago

Trick-taking card games in shambles rn

[–] EfreetSK@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I'm afraid not. As crazy as it might sound now, in like 20-30 years you'll see an aircraft carrier, a hospital, a school, etc. named after him and people being nostalgic about his regime. Just look at Ronald Reagan

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 months ago

Or look at Bush and Cheney.

The GOP is going to get worse, not better. And whoever the current, pressing threat is will be villified as uniquely evil, to the point of rehabilitating everyone in the past. I look forward to hearing liberals 20 years from now say, "Look, I didn't like Trump, but at least he cared about his country." If that sounds absurd and unbelievable to anyone, it would've sounded just as absurd to someone in 2005 to hear how liberals talk about Bush and Cheney today.

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[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Or... Once he's gone and things settle down for a bit, he'll only be remembered through a couple of weird memes.

I don't trust the intelligence or rationality of people anymore to believe they'll learn from this.

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[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

He really trumped that up, didn't he?

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[–] Limonene@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

"Trump card" will mean cards that you hide under the table or up your sleeve.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

The way things are going in the future history will just be propaganda decided by the racist sexist pedofile billionaire tech bros and the AI they’ve programmed with their ignorance narcissism and bigotry.

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

His name is already synonymous with "stupid". And I'm not really exaggerating that.

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[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Will that happen?

So far, kids are fully indoctrinated and history completely sane-washed about all the atrocities the USA has committed domestically and abroad.

I have no reason to believe the Pedophile president would be treated any differently

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Not even just treachery, just a cheap sellout

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[–] OmegaMan@lemmings.world 5 points 6 months ago

Is it bad that I'm not sure which specific event we're talking about here because so many could fit?

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 months ago

Trump will go down in history as the last American president.

[–] UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

It already means I betrayed you in French...

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[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Bold of you to assume there a) will be history books or b) they'll not maintain his personality cult after he dies to maintain the new "status quo".

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

I simply hope the second wake-up call finally works. Mamdani's victory is a start.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago

Finally the Arnold family can rest easy and pass on the torch to the Trumps.

[–] foggianism@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

"He trumped all over U. S. A."

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