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[–] wombat@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

the maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest and most comprehensive proletarian revolution in history, and led to almost totally-equal redistribution of land among the peasantry

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Land that they don't actually own, right? The government owns it and leases it?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The government represents the people of China, and land is owned collectively. That's what communism is, collective ownership.

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Sure. But that doesn't mean the people living in a specific house own that house.

I'm not even criticizing China on this one. It seems like a good system. It's just funny how the CCP seems to desperately need to be #1 on every list, even when it makes no sense like home ownership in a nation where nobody owns their home.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In practical terms, they own it in exact the same way a person owns a home in any western country.

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Home ownership" means owning your home. You can argue the semantics. But at the end of the day either you own your home or not. And in China you do not.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

Then you don't own it in a western country either because as soon as you stop paying your property tax then you lose your home. You're just regurgitating nonsense without actually thinking about it.

[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] afk_strats@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Why is the flag of Chile used for China?

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago

"It's CH, right?"

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

They goofed.

[–] pbbananaman@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is it fair to call a 70 year lease from the government “ownership”?

[–] prototype_g2@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Nobody "owns" land. Even under capitalism. If you think you do, stop paying the ~~rent~~ tax you pay the government in order to "own" that land and see what happens.

Point is, even if you "own" a house, if the government decides they want to confiscate it, they have a whole army to do it. All ownership is always at the mercy of the government. (More accurately, ownership is at the mercy of whoever has the monopoly on violence, since they can only take ownership through it.)

[–] pbbananaman@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Just curious - what happens after that 70 years is up? I get to keep my property in perpetuity and pass it down generations as long as I pay my taxes. Is there any such guarantee in China?

[–] JargonWagon@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"...if the government decides they want to confiscate it, they have a whole army to do it."

This feels pretty random to include. Did I miss something? Has the army been kicking people out of homes lately?

[–] pbbananaman@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

The downvotes without comments to support the criticism speaks volumes.

I think people here have this dream picture of China or something but that country seems to get the shit end of both sticks when it comes to housing. Expensive housing driven by a capitalist development framework and no guarantees to support to investment into the real estate you buy. That’s why Chinese citizens with money actually invest in real estate outside of China.