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Vegans are worse people and more harmful than "carnists' (lemmy.world)
submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by EndlessApollo@lemmy.world to c/unpopularopinion@lemmy.world
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They don't give a fuck about minimizing suffering, they gladly eat food grown by slaves, or overconsume things some communities rely on, or replace things made of leather with things made of plastic that'll break down into microplastics. They force their shit into pets like cats who can't thrive on a vegan diet. And that's assuming they don't just call you a nazi for even having a pet, or steal your pet from you so they can kill it. And ofc they're just the most holier than thou pieces of shit anywhere, who think everyone who isn't vegan is literally as bad as a fascist.

Yall are weird. Really weird. And you don't have to be this harmful. Quit getting even more plastic shit, stop abusing pets, quit taking food from indigenous people who need it. You can minimize animal products without replacing them with even worse things, and failing to do so makes you just as much of an irredeemable fascist as the rest of us. Human suffering is not preferable to animal suffering. If you disagree, you are literally a sociopath

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[–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

This isn't an unpopular opinion. In fact, it's an extremely popular one. Every corner of the internet goes out of their way to say they hate vegans, This isn't even remotely original.

I'm not interested in changing your mind. You do as you like, and frankly it seems like you are just venting, so rock on. But if you are intersted in fact based discussions, I think you need to move past your the stereotypes, assumptions and flat out falsehoods.

Human suffering is not preferable to animal suffering.

No vegan thinks it is. I would kill an animal to save a human.

They force their shit into pets like cats who can't thrive on a vegan diet

Snuggling my non-vegan cat right now.

steal your pet from you so they can kill it

Crazy people of every community exist. Without question the overwhelming majority of vegans do not support the behavior of a few that have done this. That is exactly as fair as me saying carnists practice cannibalism because of the handful of psychopaths to do so.

And the rest of your points fall under the "no ethical consumption under capitalism" good place type arguments. However, I find it particularly egregious to say vegans don't mind slavery. If a human slave in involved in a plant based food, then it isn't vegan.

[–] CyanideShotInjection@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Also, the argument of "but what about the exploited workers in the fields ?" is one of the weakest that's always thrown around. Do they realy think that everyone working for the meat industry are all treated fairly ? All those fields of corn/soy that are used to feed the livestock, guess what, they also need workers.

Also, this is indeed not even an unpopular opinion. Vegans/vegetarians are all around some of the most hated groups of individuals. Source : https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1368430215618253

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Also omnivores aren't carnivores. I do eat meat but not mostly meat, I don't think most people eat mostly meat. We are all eating a lot of the same food as vegan people. When my vegan daughter hosts dinner she serves things I make too. You aren't going to get out of eating these slave grown vegetables by eating meat, unless you exclusively eat what you grow, forage, and hunt yourself.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Hooray! An unpopular opinion!

Yes, you're right. But your opinion is more or less what The Good Place (fantastic show) was saying. It is impossible to truly be a good person in society. The only way you can do that is by completely leaving society and living on your own. Having hard rules of "You're either doing good or not" means everyone is bad, as you're saying yourself.

There's a middleground. It is not "You are good or bad". Eating less meat helps the planet, reduces greenhouse gasses, and reduces wasted land. It's also horrible for the animals and knowingly exploitive. Those are facts. Now, what you say is true too, but what, should they just not eat at all? I know many vegans do try to grow their own food and do try to obtain everything as ethically as possible.

But it's impossible to live in society and not at least moderately hurt other people/animals/the planet. The clothes we wear, the food we eat, how we get around, our hobbies, these computers we're on, they're all built on exploitive labor. You have to pick your battles though, and you have to try.

Now, you can absolutely educate them, absolutely go for it, let them know. But I wouldn't start with calling people who are trying to make a difference "sociopaths".

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago

It is impossible to truly be a good person in society.

that's not true, if your ethical system precludes you from being a good person, you should look for a system that isn't just a bunch of shitty options.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 year ago

Eating less meat helps the planet, reduces greenhouse gasses, and reduces wasted land.

no, it doesn't.

[–] Kethal@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I think you've confused vegan with strawman.