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[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Well then you'll be surprised to know that I also condemn vigilantism broadly so we have less to argue about than it seemed, however I don't understand the need for provocation on this issue if you actually care about delivering your message. You should understand that in this space, if you're coming from the angle of saying that political violence is never an option, you're upholding the liberal mindset that existing power structures are adequate for creating systemic change and equality, and MOST leftists will tell you that no, it's not. That argument comes from the neo-liberal, pro-capitalist movement and it will do as well to shift hearts as coming at it from the right and claiming "no fair." It's a weak approach to denouncing violence.

Unless you're going for a full-pacifist angle, which least ethically clear and consistent, we need to understand that revolutions are violent. Were either of these people engaged in a revolution? No, but that's not because someone needs to "declare" a revolution, it just becomes one when enough people are doing the same thing. So it's expected that a "side" is going to cheer for someone who is furthering the goals of the group.

I think the better question you should be pondering though is at what point do you start agreeing with the violence? At what point do you see enough of the people standing up for what's right commit enough violence that you decide "oh, so this is now a revolution" and it's no longer vigilantism?

While you're there, ask what "law" means in this context. What are the rules around our society and what enforces them? It's always the threat of violence, so again we need to ask at what point do violent actions constitute overthrowing an old legal system and writing new laws? How do you do that anyway if you don't have other means?

If it were any other point in history of America I would be right alongside you decrying all forms of violent action, and I still do condemn taking lives without an organized movement, but we're well into the "grey" zone now where change comes at the end of a sword, because all other options are rapidly being closed in the faces of the people. In this kind of climate, it feels like saying "killing a corporate leader of the ruling class is wrong and you should feel bad for not feeling bad" just feels like more the leftist "scolding" that makes people broadly turn away from the movement, and enough of us should know this by now that engaging in this kind of rhetoric feels bad-faith. Polarities shift as the noose tightens and scolding people about their soft support for violence will have the opposite effect if you care about human life and are not just performatively clearing your conscience.