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Student, 15, has hand blown off by police stun grenade during French mass protests
(www.independent.co.uk)
this post was submitted on 05 Oct 2026
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Can you provide a few key points?
Leaderless horizontal movements, while historically understandable, are unable to move forward as needed to effect change and hold power.
How do you avoid the problem of leaders with concentrated power in such upheavals historically getting pretty murder-happy or at least very corrupt though? Horizontal organisation isn't an affectation but a response to a real problem historically speaking.
Name one societal change brought by protests that did not require being
For it to happen.
I can't.
People who salivate at the thought of another Terror scare me on a human level frankly. Some people are far too keen to play the hangman, unaware of what that does to your humanity.
“THERE were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.”
I genuinely hope we don't live to see your blood-drenched dream become a reality, people like you are exactly how atrocities against innocent civilians happen. For everyone who deserved the guillotine (and don't get me wrong some were lucky that's all they got) dozens more were merely the victims of interpersonal disputes or insufficient doctrinal purity. People you'd dismiss as collateral damage to your grand dream have lives worth no less than yours, and you have no moral right to them whatsoever.
Even once your creepy enthusiasm for blood is eventually quenched, you end up with extremely unstable and traumatised polity that gives rise to something worse. People who fetishise death and suffering for its own sake (especially those who quiver with joy at being the one who gets to dish it out) are themselves damaged individuals who have no business being anywhere near the leadership of a political movement.
That's Mark Twain there, not me . . .
Actually the vast majority of people executed in the Reign of Terror were from the war in the Vendee, which was much more about (a) the struggle between Paris and the countryside even in matters of language and (b) the Catholic church versus the Parisian government. And the ideological fights were between established groups of the Girdons and the others.
Ideological purity, while often taken in the dramatizations of the Reign of Terror, was a minor thing. But the narrative of the unchecked masses baying for blood was pushed after the reestablishment (and bloody White Terror) that followed Robespierre, and then again Napoleon,'s downfalls.
The exact point of the Twain quote that you're ignoring is that the current system runs on blood. You want to make a moral case of decrying the deaths the revolution brings - while ignoring that literally millions are being killed by the current order as you speak. Do they not count?
I only ever see that quote used by people with a 'some of you may die but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make so my abstract ideology can rule the rubble' attitude to politics. While I've no doubt sometimes revolutionary violence is justified (as in France's ancien regime), political terrors never are and people who advocate them usually have the immense privilege of never having lived to see one. People who revel in violence are untrustworthy on a basic human level, even when violence is legitimately called for to preserve life and limb the absolute minimum amount that is effective should be used.
I have an extreme distrust of people who see others like Job's wife and children; fair game to have killed brutally and without further note to serve the main character's personal arc. They have no idea of the value of human life, and would spend it wantonly given half a chance.
Long story short, you are satisfied and not actively prosecuted by the system, so fuck the victims, status quo for the win.
Noted.
how many people in your family have lived in active war zones?