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For those who are not clued into the intricacies of turkish (ethno-)nationalism, turanism is kind of like the odin-flavored racism in germany. They hate arabs so much they reject Islam (which is otherwise pretty core to turkish nationalism) because it's an "arab religion". It's in a (not so coincidentally) similar vein to the odin-racists hating jews so much that they reject christianity due to it being a "semitic religion". I could get into it more if needed but if you also browse the articles about the grey wolves (why are they called that 🤔) it should be fairly clear why that comm is a fascist op that is now being spread on lemmy

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[–] Stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago

regularly links back to a eugenicist community

See, this is shit I'm talking about. You're making a claim against the community that could be easily backed up with a link. You didn't bother. It's just "take my word".

Sorry it hasn’t made a post that made their intention quite as clear in the two days where the only poster was copying posts over from reddit.

Then, according to that, you could have easily grabbed links from the community but instead grabbed them from reddit? YOU are the one making this claim. It is on YOU to back it up. You do not get to act like the victim and act upset that someone has asked you to provide literally anything backing up your claim. My one stipulation was that it has to be from this community. That is it. For whatever reason, you're refusing and expecting everyone else to dig through and do the work to prove your claim. That isn't how this works.

How is the subreddit that spawned the community, that it links back to, that it’s named after unrelated???

Because it has different users and mods and is on a different website. The behavior of those users does not immediately equate to guilt of the users of the community on Lemmy. Moreover, you linked to several posts from reddit. If your claim is that they're automatically posted to lemmy, then why didn't you use the Lemmy posts? This is another example of bad faith.

How is the community that the guy opened after leaving lemmy.ml unrelated to this??

Because Lemmy is literally designed to allow for different communities on different instances. I have no idea what that has to do with this at all.

The dude was acting all nice posting about his ancient heritage under a turanist flag. And I notice it so I thought I’d say something. Probably won’t happen again though.

Yet again. Got any links of this community actually doing that? You have not done so.

What’s the concern? Genuinely, why is that concerning?

Because you cannot use solely the actions of another community to cast blame on this one without using evidence from this community to back your claims. I'm running out of ways to say the exact same thing.

I’m not even refusing to do so for the lemmy community

Yes. You are. You said:

I’ve decided not to go further with digging into the history of it all.

Is this not a refusal?

But even if, what are you so concerned about??

I'm concerned about someone who makes a claim about a group, provides zero evidence of this group doing what they claim, and then expecting everyone to take them at face value. That isn't how this works.

Nooooo way is going to reddit and grabbing a few links the same effort as writing an essay about this “turkic” movement, how it ties back to the ottoman empire, how it is used to spread anticommunism and rally right-wingers internationally

I did not ask for an essay. I asked for literally any evidence that this community is doing what you're claiming. You are the one inventing an essay. This is another example of bad faith. I have asked for something extremely simple, literally any links, and you are changing the standard of proof and getting angry about it.

And seeing your standard of proof I’d have to explain everything in excruciating detail and pull up the original sources.

My standard of proof is links from this community that back up what you're claiming. That's it. I've said this now several times in several comments. It's really not that difficult.

Its the one user, that is most likely also active on that sub, a mod for all I know, and is just literally copying posts over.

Then link to a problematic post.

which I’ve just noticed has a göktürk sign

The Cyberpunk-y image? Or the flag?

No you aren’t, don’t do that shit with me.

You're wrong. I am. I do like knowing more information and learning about this. Everything you've posted is useful information. You just haven't done the one thing of linking it to actions of this community. You're making a claim against groups as a whole but your initial post said:

that comm is a fascist op that is now being spread on lemmy

All I am asking is for you to provide literally any links of that community behaving in such a way. That's it. And you're refusing to do so.

then pretend like all you want is a completely reasonable effort post.

No, all I want are links to the community behaving in a way that you're claiming. That's significantly less effort than the comment you just typed.

you all make it look like I’m the unreasonable one for posting about an issue that isn’t as clear-cut as to allow you all to make an instant decision.

You all.

If everyone here is reacting in the same way then the problem isn't us.