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(CW: Racism) Turanist comm on db0 (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 1 month ago by mathemachristian@hexbear.net to c/div0@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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For those who are not clued into the intricacies of turkish (ethno-)nationalism, turanism is kind of like the odin-flavored racism in germany. They hate arabs so much they reject Islam (which is otherwise pretty core to turkish nationalism) because it's an "arab religion". It's in a (not so coincidentally) similar vein to the odin-racists hating jews so much that they reject christianity due to it being a "semitic religion". I could get into it more if needed but if you also browse the articles about the grey wolves (why are they called that 🤔) it should be fairly clear why that comm is a fascist op that is now being spread on lemmy

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[–] Stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Confused as to why a straight up xenophobic attack on an ethnic group is not being taken down. They've provided zero evidence and haven't backed up their claims in well over a week.

[–] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

@mathemachristian@hexbear.net did you have anything to add to connect the dots here? I think you generally have good takes but I'm not understanding your claim here.

[–] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 0 points 2 weeks ago

sorry I sat down to get something but it's gonna be a huge thing to unravel and honestly i just don't have the time. I'm just gonna link the "criticism of pan-turkism" section of wikipedia here, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Turkism#Criticism_of_pan-Turkism sorry for causing such a fuss and then going AWOL and then also not presenting a proper argument. But it would take a big effort just to get a dead comm deleted and I can't justify that time investment.

[–] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 0 points 2 weeks ago

uh yeah have been real busy sry, I'll come up with something soon hopefully. The tl;dr will be that anything about how all those varied cultures with nothing tying them together other than a shared language root 2,000 years ago should be united into a single ethnic group with it's own nation is ethnonationalism. The whole concept of a "turkic family of nations" is parallel to the concept of an "aryan family of nations". It's a muddy definition born out of pseudoscience with the intent to spread racism.

[–] Stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

In short, no. They're using links from reddit and saying that somehow means that this community is a fascist op due to it. They say that its too much effort to look for it in the community yet an hour later posted a slew of shit from reddit. This is now multiple weeks of a user having a post on /0 making a pretty hostile claim about ethnic groups using anecdotal evidence and it hasn't been removed. They just keep saying "I've been busy" and "I'll come up with something" followed by a slew of reddit nonsense.

Not to mention that their comments seem to be painting the groups as monolithic and all sharing a uniquely 'aryan' goal, as they keep suggesting, but that in and of itself is xenophobic as hell. Like seriously...

I'm sorry but what the fuck.

[–] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago

Lol yeah, I know what you are saying, but it's still additional context I guess. See https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/75434630/28389092 for my thoughts, but the tldr is that no, I don't consider the community or the mod to be racist based on any "evidence" provided so far.