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[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago (3 children)

America is Bad. Iran was one of the most free and socially liberal countries until the US, UK, and France started to tamper with their democracy. When they say America bad its 100% true. Can't directly or indirectly kill millions of their people and say we're anything different. Let me ask you something? Do you think people in Venezuela and Cuba think "America bad"? If so why?

[–] Wfh@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

As far as 1970' autocratic dictatorships go, Iran was probably one of the most "liberal". But it was still a brutal regime. The SAVAK tortured, imprisoned, disappeared and murdered countless opponents domestically and abroad, becoming one of the leading reasons of the Iranian revolution of '79. The fact that the Shah's regime was replaced by an even worse and more repressive one doesn't mean we can look at it through rose tinted glasses.

[–] OpenPassageways@programming.dev 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I don't think anyone is saying that the Shah was a good ruler. He was NOT, and he was propped up by US, UK because he was friendly to their interests. That's the whole problem that is the reason the current regime was put in place in 1979.

Prior to the Shah, Iranians had a better regime but it wasn't friendly to US, UK interests so was overthrown by the US, UK.

The "lesson learned" should have been that meddling in regime change can result in a worse outcome. US, UK thought the democratically elected regime wasn't friendly enough to them, they installed the Shah, then ended up instead with an even less friendly regime.

Now we see the Republicans didn't learn that lesson, because their voters largely don't know the history. So here we are again, tried to meddle in regime change and likely just made their regime stronger and even less friendly.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They wanted to nationalize oil for their people's benefit. That was their "crime."

[–] Archimedes@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

"our oil" you mean.

/s for those who can't infer from context

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

I love how you picked 1970 as your starting days. What happened before 1970....