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What does this mean, exactly?
Reorganize our economic system into one in which the means of production, ie factories, farms, utilities etc, are collectively owned by the people instead of being owned by the rich elite who take all profit for themselves.
So, no mom and pop shops? No lemonade stands? No independent book stores? No family farms? Nobody allowed to sell homemade quilts or paintings?
How did you get that from what he said? Your example would still be the people who make the product owning the profits.
So, you're in favour of private ownership of the means of production?
You're confusing personal property with essential infrastructure. You can have and sell all those things even under communism.
No, private property is things like a coat and shoes.
If someone owns an industrial lemon juicer, that's part of the means of production, and must be collectively owned. Sorry Jenny, you can't have a lemonade stand.
In fact, Jenny's parents are allowed to own a small lemon juicer as part of their personal property. But, if Jenny tries to use that juicer for her lemonade stand and charges money for her lemonade, that juicer is now part of the means of production (as are the lemons) and she's now operating an illegal enterprise.
The USSR and other supposedly "communist" governments all eventually allowed some capitalism in their economies, because 100% pure communism simply didn't work.
Alright buddy, whatever you say.
You mean, whatever Marx says.
Well he was a key theoritician of communism, so partly, but also Engles, Lenin, Che, Ho Chi Minh, Castro, Fanon, Huey Newton, Bobby Seale, many others. It'd be a shame if I only ever read one author when communism has been developed by multitudes of scientists, teachers and other thinkers over the last 150 years.
And which of them thought that communism without capitalism allowed someone to run a for-profit business?
Any of them, If there is a classless society where everyone's basic needs are met, a person growing their own lemons or acquiring them and giving lemonade to people in exchange for currency can still be communism and wouldn't be a problem. They aren't exploiting laborers by hoarding wealth derived from wage labor. Socialist systems can have markets, and small business enterprises.
That's an "if" big enough to drive a train through.
There has never been a classless society where everyone's basic needs are met. So, pretending that that's the starting point for this hypothetical is a sign you're pretty desperate.
Yeah because that is the endstate of socialism. That is what the path of communism aims to lead to. It's not the starting point, it's after a transition past the capitalist mode of production into a new economic paradigm. It is after the wealthy elite are overthrown in what would likely be a war between the global proletariat and the rich. History of society is a progressive journey between different economic systems. We used to be hunter-gatherers, then developed agriculture, consolidated factories, and now we can move to a new step.
Aims to. As in, has never once reached. So, you're suggesting that in a state that has never happened, but theoretically could happen, then it's OK to have a for-profit business.
What about in the real world?
And anyway, that is just a weird way to analyze a theoretical system. If something hasn't been put in place fully how would we have examples? The cavemen didn't have a lot of examples of farms and factories.
There are numerous examples of egalitarian or socialist communities throughout history, I'm not a professor, I'm not going to lecture you on every single point there is, unless I knew you were actually asking in good faith. You are obviously just trying to find any meaningless symantic hole possible. Maybe it would surprise you that a lot of us are just trying to make the world at least somewhat better! No system will solve every single issue humanity has right away.
Sure professor. Keep digging that grave.
I'm not sure, but let's live a little, try something new and see where it goes.
I play music and grow some mean artichokes. Like they have thorns and everything they're delicious. Willing to trade sass for butter
you take capitalism
you place under guillotine
you manœuver guillotine
done
Hunger ensues.
shiiiii I forgot last step !
eat the rich
Communism, comrad!