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Why do so many "important" people die in plane crashes in the past couple of decades?
Andy Cecere (2026 - US Bank)
Joshua Base (2026 - Capital Factory)
Christophe de Margerie (2014 - Total energies)
Petr Kelner (2021 - PPF Group)
Kobe Bryant (2020)
Glen de Vries (2021 - Medidata Solutions)
Gary Knopp ( 2020 - politician)
Steve Appleton (2012 - Micron CEO)
Cheryl heinze ( 2012 - politician)
Alison Des Forges ( 2009 - human right investigator)
Beverly Eckert (2009 - activist on 9/11 committee)
wilhemson executives in 2012
Now the CEO of Ubisoft in 2026
That is just in the US, so many other rich businessmen have also died in plane crashes in other countries. Romania, Italy, Brazil, Russia, etc... Are aircraft crashes just way more common than the companies want us to believe? I was always told that airplanes were statistically safer than cars.
Also why are plane crashes so often surrounded in suspicious circumstances like the IBM plane crash where a ton of executives were killed and immediately following the other IBM execs pivoted the company focus (which kind of led to their downfall in the consumer market).
Because those important people are more likely to be in a plane than unimportant people.
Commercial planes are constantly coming and going through every major airport. Do these wealthy people really collectively fly more than that?
How often does Bezos end up in a plane? How often are you in a plane?
That's the wrong question to ask. "important people are more likely to be in a plane than unimportant people" is valid as a partial explanation only if we assume that all aircrafts have similar crash probabilities and are flown with a similar number of passengers.
The frequency with which I personally fly does not impact how often other people fly. All it does is give you one data point on how often other people in my situation might fly, and we don't know how many others are in my situation, so that information is also useless.
Let us assume 2 people fly in planes. One of them does so 10 times a month. The other 10 times a year. The risks are higher for the 10 times a month flyer.
In a world where there are exactly two people who ever fly, that would make sense. Now what if there are 12 people who fly 10 times a year a 1 person who flies 10 times a month? Will it be more likely that someone in the group of 12 dies in a plane crash, or the one person who flies 10 times a month?
I see what you’re saying but it’s splitting hairs. The rich guy uses an airplane more often that others do so he’s more likely to die in a plan crash simply because he’s more likely to be a plane the first place.
Splitting hairs is when the difference is meaningless. The difference we're discussing is between answering the question and not answering it.
Others in the thread have given an answer that actually makes sense, and it's that wealthier people who fly frequently tend to fly in smaller private aircrafts, and those are more likely to crash than commercial flights.
They fly small planes, in a lot of cases they fly themselves.
You never learn the name of the "unimportant" people that die in air crashes
We might not learn their names, but we definitely learn about the aircraft and how many people died.
If its of a certain size yes, but the planes that actually crash everyday don't get reported widely because they're tiny aircraft
Now that I had ent considered. There’s importance squared. A second layer.
I’m tired of humans. I’m now identify as one of those gay frogs Alex Jones is so strangely passionate about.
Also also. You have a 17 year span of time for 13 people that died in a plane crash. That's less than one person a year on average. I'd say that's pretty freaking safe compared to other modes of travel like automobiles or through The Warp.
Small aircraft got the nicknames "widow makers" and "doctor killers" for a reason.
wasnt kobe a helicopter accident. and people glossed over the fact that he allegations of SA in the past when he died, the news sure sweeps SA under the rug pretty quick.
I live near an airport that has a private aircraft and jet show every summer. Half the booths are about safety, including whole plane parachutes. This is a well known problem.
Commercial airliners. It's a very different story for smaller planes. And helicopters are death traps!
I was just reading a story about some sky divers who died in a plane crash shortly after launch.
It said the non commercial airliner stuff isn't held to the same regulatory standards, and these smaller outfits often fudge or push safety things off and whatever state / agency it was said it couldn't say these types of services offering flights are safe because of it.
I have the perfect story for this.
About a decade ago I attended a week-long reliability training held by ASQ (the American Society for Quality). One day heading back to my hotel room I shared an elevator with the then-president-chairman of ASQ.
He was chatting about airliner safety, and how the engineers would do things like test/measure/calculate to find the necessary thickness of a part, and then just triple it for safety because they could. He said he'd never hesitate to ride a commercial airliner.
He then said he would never ride in a helicopter as long as he lived, lol.
Honestly the only helicopters I'd trust are VTOLs that lean more toward the plain side of things, mostly because then they can glide and don't just rush towards the ground.
God, I hate these arguments.
"Look at all these things that happened! There must be something more to this! It's too much of a coincidence! CONSPIRACY!"
Did you know shark attacks increase alongside ice cream sales? By that logic, there must be some secret alliance between Big Ice Cream and the shark cabal.
Or maybe both go up because it's summer and more people are at the beach.
The same thing happens with plane crashes involving wealthy people. Rich people fly far more than the average person, and they often fly private aircraft, which have a higher accident rate than commercial airlines.
Not every cluster of events is evidence of secret black-ops CIA assassinations. Sometimes a correlation is just a correlation, and sometimes a streak of bad luck is just a streak of bad luck.
I own a cat and have never been hit by a meteorite, therefore cats prevent meteor strikes.
See you at the next antivax meeting.
Big Ice Cream and Big Shark are definitely working together!
This is why baby shark blew up. You know what else babies like? Ice cream.
We've blown it wide open. Watch your backs and sleep with one eye open!
Rich fucks just fly more overall. While flying is very safe. If you do it more, then it is more likely you will be the one in the plane when the rare thing goes wrong. Quirks of privilege.
Importantly, they tend to fly private aircraft, which I have recently learned are not as safe as commercial airliners. Commercial flights are subject to countless safety checks and have redundancies for days.
The titan sub failed in part because stockton Rush (I couldn’t think of a more posh name if I tried) assumed the similarly impeccable record of submarines was due to something other than scrupulous safety margins.
I can't imagine people that got rich by exploiting people and cutting corners have the strictest maintenance regime, either.
Guess those rich people are just going to have to start buying commercial jets. What a nightmare!
Riding with the peasantry class? Never!
No. I mean like presidents and prime ministers. They'll still ride alone but on a 737 instead of a Gulfstream.
Also very different airplanes
Commercial airplane crashes always make big news and their crashes in the past always caused improved regulations to the point where there is little left to improve
Private airplanes, on the other hand, different story
Yeah, key detail being, if we started listing car crashes from the past month, it would take up the whole thread.
You mean last week. Cars slaughter 580 people a week.
It might just be a frequency illusion or something, but it has seemed like airplane crashes in the US have skyrocketed in the past few years (surely it has nothing to do with the Republican party gutting regulation). And looking at where most of the dates in your comment fall, I wonder if it's just a probability thing.
Some are helicopter crashes
Rip Oliver Tree
Commercial aviation is much safer than cars because there are strict procedures and oversight that applies to everyone involved - not only pilots, but the entire operational chain. It isn't exactly the same when it comes to small business jets.