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Bernie is a socdem and im a communist of course im going to criticize him, not everything is a secret republican plot
I don't even understand the policy you're complaining about lol
i dont like ai companies and their data centers, what else? lol
Taking back half of their stolen profits seems like a step in the good direction though. Let's seize their assets, starting with the half here, and then close them down.
He's not talking about seizing anything
He wants to take over 50% of the companies without paying them. If that's not seizing then I don't know what is.
Edit: If the downvoters want to tell me where I'm wrong, I'd be glad to be corrected.
Fifth amendment to the constitution states: "nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation" meaning this proposition is straight up unconstitutional unless they amend it to pay. And i assume Bernie do know constitution of his own country so i have no clue how he proposed it like this unless it is to stir a shitstorm about "seizing" and then amend it as "compromise".
Are we still pretending the constitution matters?
In this case it might actually matter because it straight up defend billionaires property here. Remember how in "Democracy for the Few" Parenti agrumented that US system do appear to be completely paralysed in case of proposals working for the people, but works like well oiled machine when it comes for the ruling class interest.
But in that case, the Constitution is irrelevant. It would be impossible even if there wasn't a 5th amendment.
All that matters is who is in charge of the heights of political power, the law is a fiction they use to legitimize their authority.
So you do agree it's seizing, which is all I said. I didn't say anything about it being a realistic proposal.
Agree, but my point was that Bernie do know it's unrealistic and illegal, so he must expect it either be shot down outright in which case it's just a theatre or be negotiated to be legal ("just compensation") in which case it's a bailout for tech giants in the height of bubble.
I don't know which is correct, but in either case Bernie comes out of it as unprincipled in best case and bootlicker in the worst.
And Bernie is against that?
Who benefits from the government buying 50% overvalued shares? And when these companies inevitably fail, why should half the cost be socialized?
It's not buying it, it's seizing it. That's means taking by force, you don't pay for that. Try reading.
The US is a bourgeois state, this is not the working classes siezing it but the capitalists collectively.
It wouldn't even happen under the current government. Republicans and liberals are too afraid of what they call government overreach.
Bernie isn't a capitalist, I think y'all are wayyyy overthinking this one lol
Bernie is a social democrat, which sides with capital over socialism.
Give an example of how.
How does social democracy affirm capitalism over socialism? By maintaining private ownership of the means of production without transitioning to a dictatorship of the proletariat. How is Bernie a social democrat? By holding to reform over revolution, and siding with the US over overthrowing it.
Who is the main driving force of the revolution?
The working classes, I don't see the immediate relevance.
My point is the "revolution" you are gesturing to isn't there.
The working class right now doesn't work together, Bernie and people like him are trying to get them together, but you needlessly nitpicking doesn't do one fucking iota to a revolution.
Anyway left is better, and no that doesn't include neo libs and their obvious attraction to the right.
In order to actually organize, it's important to align in an actual working class political party. Bernie is working within the Democrats and not supporting actual movement away from them. I am not "needlessly nitpicking," revolutionary strategy requires building up a revolutionary org like PSL.
What has the PSL accomplished?
A lot! They've been spearheading a lot of the anti-war and anti-ICE protests, help run community drives and organize tenant and worker unions, and have been growing a revolutionary organization with trained cadres. This is exactly what a revolutionary org needs to do, organize the working classes.
Okay, DSA supports tenant and worker unions as well, is it bad when DSA does it?
No? My point has never once been that everything the DSA does is a bad thing. The DSA's reformist strategy is a problem, and the org itself lacks discipline due to rejecting democratic centralism.
That's not surprising
In the USA socdems and communists are both under the umbrella of the left and Bernie is the best representation the left has. Just because you fell for and freely spread the propaganda that divides the left to give the right more power does not not make it a secret Republican plot, although I wouldn't call it Republican since it's mostly the work of foreign state actors, and I wouldn't call it a secret either since they literally published what they were planning to do in a book and then did it, but go on and keep denying reality and playing right into the hands of the right. You're really helping communism by driving that wedge even further!
Ngl fam I don't even consider Bernie a leftist. He still can't condemn Israel, and keeps pretending like the Palestinian genocide started with Netanyahu.
Confidently wrong.
anyone who isn't fundamentally anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist does not represent the left in any way, shape, or form
socdems are on the right and they have more in common with maga republicans than they do with us
so you do literally think there is a ~~Jewish~~ Foreign plot against Bernie, lmao
Also apparently helping communism is when you support destroying the enviroment to make an old socdem happy lmao.
Racism is nasty.
Yea, hopefully one day people like you will stop blaming minorities and foreigners for their countries failings and actually take responsability for your flaws
Social democrats seek to reform capitalism, which is incompatible with socialism.