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how should the world's economy develop? what companies should be developed? how should the profit be distributed? should it be illegal for companies to make a profit at all?
(note that i think that it is generally unavoidable that some companies make some profit, the grey area on the image of the supply-demand diagram (or rather quantity-price diagram) is the profit, and that would only be zero if all companies have exactly the same production costs per unit.)
I think we can come away from this discussion with an agreement that modern capitalist society is broken, harming the working class, and destroying our future. I think we both implicitly know that there is something better than our current system. We just disagree on what that better society would look like. And that disagreement is ok.
I'm glad to have had this conversation with you. Ideas can only grow and improve if they are challenged, and I've never really had a discussion about these thoughts and ideas with another informed person before.
Yes, of course. Agreed.
One of the problems with modern internet discourse is that people are so allergic to disagreement. The campism is so strong that it's nearly impossible to present an alternative perspective or even raise a concern or add a layer of nuance without being immediately flamed, rejected, and dismissed by seemingly an entire community if people you might happen to agree maybe 80% with.
Open discussion is how ideas are challenged and grow, otherwise they stagnate, get full potholes, and ultimately blindsided by some unforeseen circumstance. It's sad that bad-faith argumentation is so prevalent that it's what people have learned to expect, and so they accuse any disagreement as being in bad faith.
Some people want to walk us blindly into calamity though, so I won't stop nitpicking some issues even when people seem to want to pretend there's no other "right way." There's a lot of discussion that needs to happen before we're ready as a society to just completely throw out and replace the systems wholesale. And in many cases we're not even able to have those discussions yet.
It's probably going to take generations at this point to undo some of the damage that campism has done to public discourse, and then we'll only be ready to start developing the ideas for the future systems.
Sigh... Sometimes mortality is an exercise in patience more than anything else...