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[–] Yliaster@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So your main criticism is that anarchism isn't feasible because it cannot reproduce mass manufacturing?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's part of it, yea. The next mode of production is built on the foundations of the existing mode of production, this has happened every time a change in mode of production has occured. The modern era of mass manufacturing has built the bedrock of socialism, of a coordinated and collectivized system of production and distribution with the working classes on top of society.

Anarchism has no such basis in modern society, and every time it has been attempted it has either been extremely small, extremely short-lived, or both. We cannot simply build a society by imagining it, we have to examine historical trajectory. This is what turned socialism from utopian to scientific, and enabled the establishment of long-lasting socialist states that dramatically improved the world.

[–] Yliaster@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm trying to summarize your primary criticism into one line here.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't really think you can, my problems with anarchism are multi-layered and comprehensive, not something simple to be summarized into a single line. I've given more than enough to work off of if you want a discussion on that, I feel.

[–] Yliaster@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm not trying to unravel your entire outlook, just respond to your best argument. Is there one you'd put at top?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

To put it in the simplest terms possible, and in a single sentence:

Anarchists reject historical materialism, and this rejection leads anarchists to idealist analysis that manifests in the form of utopianism, whereas Marxist advancements in philosophy led to the development of dialectical materialism and its application forming the aforementioned historical materialism and modern scientific socialism.

[–] Yliaster@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

...Anarchists don't reject historical materialism? Historical/scientific cases for anarchism exist.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Anarchists necessarily reject historical materialism. There is no basis for anarchism as it arises from capitalism, as I explained earlier. When I say scientific socialism, I do not merely mean a scientific case for socialism. That's why I linked the articles for terms, so that I can be more clear in my point without having to explain what I mean by each line.

[–] Yliaster@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

From a communist standpoint, sure.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Elaborate, my standpoint is generally the communist standpoint, with the communist critique. Can you refute my point?

[–] Yliaster@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not a communist, so no, I can't.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago

You said you could, though. I explained my problems with anarchism, can you refute the concepts of historical materialism, etc. or alternatively explain how anarchism indeed does follow these concepts?

Either the concepts I agree with need to be refuted, or anarchism needs to justify itself as adhering to them, both are potential avenues for overcoming my strongest and simplest argument.