Some recent threads have pulled lemmy.ca into the drama around lemmy.world and Luminous5481. We banned them a few days before LW did, and claims have been made that we're aligned with LW in the pro-zionist behavior LW has been accused of.
~8 days ago Luminous had "murder all Zionists" in their name, during which time they banned recursive_recursion@piefed.ca from the community agitprop memes. The reason given was "zionism, genocide apologia" with a 74 year expiry time. Recursive saw this, was confused and insulted by the insinuation / threat, and retaliatory banned Luminous. This happened 2 days before the LW issue began, and from our point of view was unrelated.
Recursive posted in our internal chat immediately after they placed the ban, letting us all know. We all agreed that being flippant about who Luminous labels a zionist while also repeatedly calling for the murder of zionists, wasn't appropriate for lemmy.ca. It violates our of our "Be Civil" rule, and is toxic behaviour that doesn't belong here.
None of us knew at the time why Recursive had been banned, although yesterday while digging I found this thread. Luminous placed the ban because Recursive had banned Deceptichum@quokk.au with a "suspiciously similar ban message" to one MrKaplan used. Recursive used "Troll and perpetual history of bad faith behavior" vs MrKaplan removing a comment as "troll". That's a pretty shitty reason to label someone a zionist genocide apologist, while you're calling for the murder of all zionists.
None of us support Israel, we're all horrified by what they're doing. That doesn't mean throwing around death threats on Lemmy should be tolerated.
Context if you're unfamiliar with this issue:
The othering of people and culture wars that some people are doing in that yptb thread is sickening. Also a pretty shit thing to do to go around calling for any group of people to be murdered while at the same time deciding for them if they believe in something/are a part of that group, or not. It's pretty damn sad that intelligent and respectful discussion is pretty much dead on this because if you aren't calling for zionists to killed you must be supporting them. Pacifists and those that want them to face a trial for what has happened be damned. I can already hear the dumb arguments, false dichotomies and fallacies justifying there viewpoints.
Culture wars?
What about the literal wars killing innocent children, the weaponised rapes, and other war crimes being committed by Israel?
You sound more upset over bad language online.
You certainly didn't waste any time with the fallacy.
I do not support them and condemn them. I also realize that randomly calling people zionists when the above is the case is indirectly saying they agree with killing innocent children, weaponised rapes, and other war crimes. The reality is whether you like it or not people do call themselves zionists because they believe in the dictionary definition and not the historical and real life consequences that come up when the land that zionism either requires everyone on that land to be okay with it being turned into jewish land when other cultures had claim to it or force. Is it stupid? yep. Do You go around calling for death because they are stupid and don't understand that or think there is some magic man that will make everyone ok with it? No.
I think it should be clear from my language how I "feel" about it.