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[–] sneakypersimmon@lemmy.today 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Research suggests that multiple factors have led to lower teen birth rates in the United States. From the 1990s through 2019, the risk of teen pregnancy decreased primarily because of improved contraceptive use, including an increase in the use of more effective contraceptive methods (e.g., long-acting and reversible methods) and an increase in the use of multiple methods of contraception. During this period, some of the risk of pregnancy among younger teens declined because of decreased sexual activity; however, general trends in adolescent sexual activity have remained relatively stable. Broad economic and social variables may also influence teen behaviors, such as expanded educational or labor opportunities.

https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R45184

12 year olds still being raped and impregnated is bleak.

Contraception use has thankfully made teen pregnancies decline, but sexual activity remains relatively steady.

Regardless, the majority of 12 year olds who find themselves pregnant are victims.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

12 year olds still being raped and impregnated is bleak.

Indeed. However, the cited data doesn't tell us anything about child rape. Sexual activity between two adolescents is not statutory rape. This is the overwhelming majority of cases.

[–] sneakypersimmon@lemmy.today 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Majority of rape and sexual assault aren't going to appear in hard numbers like this because of lack of reporting.

You can pretend like underage pregnancies are all from consensual underage sex, but I'm not going to close my eyes to truths of the world.

Also adult men having sex with underage girls IS rape.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You can pretend like underage pregnancies are all from consensual underage sex, but I'm not going to close my eyes to truths of the world.

I don't believe I said anything of the sort. My point was only that the data presented is not representative of the current state. We have every reason to believe that the cited numbers were recorded at or near their peak, and that they have fallen precipitously in the past 30+ years.

[–] sneakypersimmon@lemmy.today 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

You also claimed those studies say nothing about child rape when it clearly shows adult men impregnate children.

And curiously enough tried to claim that underage pregnancy is no longer bleak.

Edit: what’s your point here? If it was just to point out the data is older, fine. Why are you pushing this idea that underage pregnancies are nothing to be worried about anymore and that it’s not bleak to have children being impregnated?

Do you really believe that because the rates have fallen that it’s not a concern or that it doesn’t occur?

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 2 points 5 days ago

You also claimed those studies say nothing about child rape when it clearly shows adult men impregnate children.

Rereading the cited data again, it doesn't actually say that adult men impregnate children.

Obviously, they do, but the presented data doesn't support that conclusion.

Is there perhaps some data that you didn't present that would support your argument? Did you miss something essential to your point?

Do these statistics refer to 60 19-year-old girls? 60 million 8-year-olds? How do you know? How would I know?

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Fair. I should have said that the cited data provides no data quantifying the prevalence of child rape. From the cited data, you cannot tell me if it was derived from 60 cases or 60 million. From that data, you cannot tell me the scale of the problem. From that data, you cannot tell me how it stacks up to, say, murder, or cannibalism.

I can say that whatever it was in the early 1990's, it is far better now.

[–] sneakypersimmon@lemmy.today 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Just because it’s better now doesn’t mean it’s perfect.

Women and girls still get raped and assaulted every day.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 points 5 days ago

Again, this data sucks. From this data we have no idea whether your claim is true. We all know your claim to be true and valid, but that conclusion does not arise from this particular data. This data is terrible.

[–] Virtvirt588@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm having a hard time understanding who are you trying to disprove with this statement:

Also adult men having sex with underage girls IS rape.

I dont think OP even mentioned justifying rape. So what purpose do these straw men serve you?

[–] sneakypersimmon@lemmy.today 1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Rivalarrival said that this doesn't say anything about rape:

Of the pregnant teenagers had had an unwanted sexual experience, the ages of the perpetrators were:

o 18% were within two years of the victim’s age

o 18% were 3-5 years older than the victim

o 17% were 6-10 years older than the victim

o 40% were more than ten years older than the victim (Gershenson et. al., 1989)

You can pretend like all of the teenagers in the study are 18 and 19 years old, but I would counter that would be a faulty assumption.

Adult men having sex with underage children is rape.

[–] Virtvirt588@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Now I believe they where talking about this: https://lemmy.today/comment/23688619

But I do understand where you're coming from in this case.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 0 points 5 days ago

What we can say from this data is that 100% of the cases it studies are rape. This data does not count all rapes: It counts only those rapes that have resulted in pregnancy. It doesn't count all teenage pregnancies: It doesn't count a case where two adolescents agree to have sex, and that sex results in pregnancy.

This particular data does not even support a claim that adults are having sex with children! That's the problem I am talking about. You have to go outside this data to make any meaningful conclusion. That is how terrible this data is.