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I got my definition from Mussolini. where is your from?
Inspired on my knowledge of the Spanish fascist dictatorship as well as Michael Parenti's Blackshirts and Reds and Umberto Eco's 14 characteristics of fascism.
But simply tell me, how do you explain the prevalent role of the private sector in all fascist regimes according to your definition?
the so-called private sector depends entirely on the state to enforce private property claims. the state issues corporate charters. the state "regulates" these corporations to ensure they benefit the state.
eco's 14 characteristics are more like symptoms to diagnose fascism. the fascist ideology doesn't require any of them except point 4 and, to a degree, point 13. it just so happens that fascist regimes will often display the other characteristics. they are not inherent to the ideology.
So, all modern states are fascist?
tell em what they won!
Not even kidding, if you apply that definition, every modern state is fascist
i know, right!
Cool, useless definition then?
i'd say that it becomes an empty accusation in the modern context, yea. like, duh. the modern state is fascist. but it's not useless to understand the characteristics of the systems that oppress us.
Ok so what do you describe yourself as ideologically?
Also, thinking of it: you give Mussolini the right to describe the ideology he created. Why don't you give Lenin the same right and call the USSR a socialist state?
I didn't say anything about whether the ussr was socialist. I said the evidence you gave doesn't preclude the ussr from being fascist
Socialism and fascism are mutually exclusive, though. Mussolini, Franco and Hitler were extremely quick to eliminate socialists because they were aware of this.
right. and while the ussr may have been socialist (i honestly don't want to take a position on that), the features of the society that you cited are not explicitly socialist. you mostly cited the existence of institutions within the state and some statistics about the standard of living. those could appear in a fascist society, as well.
If you seriously think a fascist society could have universal healthcare, free education to the highest level, lowest levels of economic inequality in the history of the region, guaranteed housing and jobs, lack of exploitation of other countries, respect for minorities (ethnic and otherwise) and for people with disabilities... you simply don't understand fascism.
i'm not saying it's a common feature in fascist societies. i'm saying nothing about the explicit ideology precludes it.
Again, you literally don't understand fascism then. Systems are analyzed by their outcomes.
i'm sorry, i'm not going to engage with parenti at all.
Cool, engage with Mussolini then lmfao