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I like finding and reading old zines, there's an amazing mashup of pornography and counterculture and early tech wizardry geekiness to be found in late 90s and early 2000s zines that just can't be replicated anywhere else.
If you tried to make them today, you would just be a poser.
False. Idolizing that snapshot and discouraging human output misses the point entirely and is the worst poser take on the subject I can imagine. Curated sips of ancient counterculture are just pretentious self indulgence if you aren't drawing inspiration, and disparaging those who would actually participate is extra gross. Go make a zine about how much you love old zines, it'll be fun
I get where you're coming from, but your reply is sort of like telling me I could make another skit show when I was saying you can't recreate Monty Python.
You are correct, and also abrasive in your correctness, but you missed the point completely.
As best as I can tell your point is to enshrine a medium best known for how accessible it is into something precious. I spread my first lil xeroxed pamphlet in 1992 and last one (so far) a couple years ago and genuinely from a place of love hope to see you do the same rather than sneering at "posers". It's way more fun to participate than judge and I earnestly want that for you. One person didn't make monty python, but they absolutely made your favorite zine and so can you :)
My point is, is there is a vibe in those zines from the mid-90s to the early 2000s that is unique to that time period, and if you were not there in that time period, making those zines with the resources available in the culture that you found there, and you tried to replicate that now, you would be a poser.
Because there is something special about that time period. Just like if you tried to recreate the shenanigans of Monty Python nowadays with a new skit show and new actors, even if you had the same comedic chops it wouldn't hit because the culture is different.
A dead budgie sketch is not going to land as anything better than an homage to the dead parrot sketch, and it would have to be amazing to be counted as an homage.
You seem to misunderstand that I am not saying you can't make zines now. I'm saying you can't make THOSE zines now.
There are plenty of cultures to tap into and zines to be made and periods of self-expression that have yet to be touched by humankind. And I understand what you're saying, but my point is you cannot make those zines anymore without being a poser.
They've patched out Captain Crunch.
Pay phones don't work on pulse tone modulation anymore.
People don't rig together phreak boxes out of busted phones and 9 volt batteries. They use fucking zero-bit flippers bought from AliBaba and shipped over from China, and then they use that to de-auth people's Wi-Fi so they can sneak in their own access points onto their credentials and set up a rebroadcaster so they can torrent without a VPN.
It is a completely different scene.
Even phreak has an official magazine now that's been running for 40 fucking years and the modern magazine is nothing like the original. 2600 is a shell of its former glory, even though it's still cool.
If you still can't understand what I'm saying at this point, then there is no explaining it to you.
I can understand, disagree, and not be a dick about it. Please work on that last one. I genuinely love to talk about this stuff, but it's no fun confrontationally. Enjoy your dead, sterile, static zine shrine if that's what you want. Those butterflies are too beautiful to ever exist again, you're super special for having witnessed them, good thing they're pinned in your shadowbox. My "point" here is that this world and that culture is a beautiful, living, evolving, ever-changing Thing still very much available for you to participate in. Come out and play, or not! There was a "post your lab" thread in the selfhosting comm here just a couple days ago that should've been able to melt your jaded old phreaky heart, wires going everywhere, scavenged gear, tunnels and proxies and containers, people learning and sharing and experimenting and helping each other out, punk's only as dead as you let it be
I wish I could find an archive of Funny Animal Fan zines but search engines suck so much fuckin taint now, I’ve had no success.
Would you ever post one? I want to see
There's a surprising number of them available on archive.org, just search for zines.
I wanted to see one of yours tho