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Spain was not the country I expected would get brave but I'm glad they did
They elected socialists. Socialist, historically, are the ones who resist and fight against fascist. It's not really surprising.
In Spain, like in Portugal, the name of a party and their actual ideology are two entirelly different things, maybe because in both countries the modern day parties only formed in the 70s when the Fascist dictatorships in those countries were overthrown and replaced by Democracy.
Anyways, the PSOE is at best Social Democrat (in a good year, in a bad year it's mild neoliberal, so center-right).
Any party that is allowed to exist within the dictatorship of the bourgeoise will "be at best Social Democratic" when looking at the party as a whole. That doesn't really say much about the individuals within that party nor of how they will treat American fascism.
DSA in America is "Social Democratic" at best. It doesn't mean that the party isn't filled with socialist and communist. It is. I am one.
My understanding of Spain and PSOE is definitely limited. But in terms of the actual material steps they are taking to stand up to the American empire they are far ahead of the rest of Europe.
What I mean is that the actual POLICIES of that party when in government are at best sprinkled with social democrat concepts, and that's only in certain years when the party is led by the center-left faction. As far as I know the PSOE hasn't been controlled by the Leftwing faction since the days just after the fall of Fascism in Spain.
I'm actually in Portugal and am a member of a small leftwing party here and am well aware that amongst members there is quite a range of political positions. However the actual ideas pushed by the party publicly are but a subset of that range, one which mainly matches the ideas of the faction which has the most seats amongst the "national board" and which controls the leadership and most parliamentary seats. In fact the party has recently collapsed in votes because (IMHO) the dominant faction are middle-class posh boys and girls with no life experience who had no strategy or vision for the Future of the country and weren't really trying to be a leftwing party for all Portuguese but in practice only for people like them, so amongst other things they did a lot of parroting of shit they found on Twitter from New Labour in Britain and the Democrats in the US, which are actually rightwing so they were all identity politics whilst ignoring broader impoverishment in the country and not noticing obvious phenomenons like a massive realestate bubble killing the chances of any young people who don't have a "bank of mommy and daddy" to back them.
(As you might have deduced, I'm not aligned with the views of that faction).
Sure. I think I was being too general in what I'm trying to say in regards to how I interpreted your first reply. I'm use to American leftist that come on here and basically trash talk anything to the right of a vanguard party. I agree with what you're saying.
Very well put. The nonsense that we, spanish leftwing, had to endure that came from the US Democrats and was amplified by social networks was one of the reasons politics are as shitty as they are today and left wing is so fragmented.
Social Democrats. Like in Portugal, don't let the name trick you. Just as North Korea is also not a Republic or Democratic.
Social democrats dont have good history in resisting fascists, we will see
I'm not sure if that's what you mean, but I'm just saying they are objectively not socialists, whether they resist fascists or not.
On a side node, really nice to see the comment spreading missinfo being up voted while apparently I got down voted for saying something objectively correct... This really is just reddit now
Is there a particular reason for that? I don't know enough about Spanish history.
They're geographically shielded from Russia by Poland, Germany, France, and probably have less reliance on Russian energy. So having an alliance with USA is less important to them geopolitically. My guess at least
in Spain socialists are currently in power
Social Democrats. The Partida Socialista is socialist in name only
Spain had actual fascists in power as far as in 1975. So kinda like how most eastern bloc countries fucking hate communism and thus many forms of socialism too, I guess many spaniards still personally hate fascism.
No, it's completely different.
In most eastern bloc countries, communism is often associated with external oppression.
In Spain, fascism was a local phenomenon and the current democracy comes from a voluntary transition from fascism, so there has never been a purge of fascism in Spain.
Even today there are lots of pro-fascists in major political parties, and there is a not small amount of nostalgia.
I would say, generally, the feeling in Spain about fascism is comparable to the feeling in Russia about the USSR.
Obviously there is also a strong anti fascist movement, but in lots of big cities it's not strange to see fascist flags on some people's balconies.