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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 170 points 2 months ago (11 children)

He later said: “So, we need, I, I would really, I’m demanding that these countries come in and protect their own territory because it is their territory, it’s the place from which they get their energy and they should come and they should help us protect it.”

Then came the line that quickly sparked reaction online:

“You could make the case that maybe we shouldn’t even be there at all because we don’t need it.”

It's Iran's terrority, and Iran is defending it after being attacked...

But I really think he's getting pressure from Christian extremists to abandon Israel. Their endgame was always Israel getting wiped out by its neighbors to start Armageddon and rapture Christians.

If no one joins against Iran, trump will likely try to slink away and Bibi holding the bag.

[–] Grumpyleb@lemmus.org 68 points 2 months ago (2 children)

And he threatened NATO, who by all his accounts "stood back from the front lines" When Article 5 was called during the bullshit second Gulf War. And now he DEMANDS they help. Sure buddy.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 82 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I just love the quote:

So, we need, I, I would really, I’m demanding...

He starts with needing help, starts to say he just really wants it, then pivota to demanding it.

The fact that he went thru those steps shows how much pressure he's facing.

His two biggest wings of influence has been Israel and American christo-fascists, if they start pulling him in opposite ways, he can't hold onto both.

He's fucked, but so are the rest of us by extension. Hopefully just till midterms at least.

[–] Grumpyleb@lemmus.org 44 points 2 months ago (6 children)

The thing is, as a foreigner, and speaking bluntly, this is on the entire American population, voting him in once was one thing, but not dealing with Jan 6 harshly under Bidens administration did nothing more than encourage them and their billionaire backers. IF there's no false flag operation to cancel the midterms and IF presidential elections are held and the democrats get into power, you lot are going to have to overhaul your entire system to ensure another Trump doesn't happen. And honestly speaking I can't realistically see that happening.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (14 children)

The thing is, as a foreigner, and speaking bluntly, this is on the entire American population

No problem.

To put it bluntly I don't expect Americans to understand our political system, so I'm not surprised when foreigners clearly don't. Shits complicated and nonsensical

I just wish more would ask questions instead of sharing uninformed opinions as facts, but maga thinking isn't reserved for Americans...

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[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (4 children)

you still think voting will get you out of the fascism you invited in?

[–] Josey_Wales@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (17 children)

Of course not. If the first move on a chess board was to simply take your opponent’s king, that would always be the first move in every game.

Having the midterm vote suppressed is just one sacrificial pawn in the direction of what needs to be done to eradicate fascism.

Knowing what to do isn’t that valuable if you don’t time it correctly. It’s not just one person or party. It is systemic and requires a critical mass of history to be successful.

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[–] br0da@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Invited in? I didn’t invite any of this in. Not by my vote, not by my letters to government officials, and not by my protests.

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[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Maybe if people actually showed the fuck up it might. But there's so many "voting doesn't do shit" people that it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The way I see it, there are 3 choices.

  1. Vote (effectively). If you still have a glimmer of hope that things can be changed for the better, you need to be doing this. Job one is to keep republicans out of power, vote for whomever is going to beat them. Job 2 is to push Democrats further left in the primaries. Mamdani showed us that this can happen, reluctantly at first, but the party will respond to its voters. Key word there is "voters" if you don't vote, they don't know about you, and won't give a fuck about you.

  2. Disruption. I can't in good faith call for violence, but if you genuinely believe it is impossible to fix the system by voting, you need to be in the streets disrupting day to day operation of the system that oppresses you. Protest, strike, squat, whatever you gotta do, but you can't do it halfway. If you aren't literally ready to fight for your life then, this option isn't for you.

  3. Do nothing. You can just sit around and bitch about things. Whatever happens is (almost) equally your fault as it is the people who voted for it. You'll end up against the wall just like the other two groups, but it will take the nazis you left the door open for, a little bit longer to get around to you. I've got no respect for the people in this group, no one should TBH.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

you are not wrong… but I was referring to the pedo president sabotagging elections… if he is OK comitting the country to war to cover his past crimes, cancelling elections would be a walk in the park

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[–] Hux@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago

I feel like it is more basic than that.

I think his quote transitioning from asking for help to demanding others “step up” just reveals something he was taught early on—“never show weakness”.

Along with “never admit wrong doing” and “deny ‘til you die”, if you just set a simpleton up with a few basic, immoral, rules and hundreds of millions of dollars, you get Trump.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago

NATO: "Get Le Fucked".

The rest of the world is outraged about the pedophilia.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 46 points 2 months ago (8 children)

Man I am so fucking ready for the Nationalist Christians to become huge fucking pariahs as a direct result of all of the idiocy that they’ve been pushing

[–] mPony@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

by then the world may be literally cooked.

[–] Restaldt@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Oh boy do I have terrible news about runaway climate change

It was 80 degrees here yesterday and its snowing right now as I type this.

And this is the best our climate will be for the rest of our lives 🙃

[–] mPony@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

we had roughly the same (only with a non-oppressive temperature scale). Last night I had to toss snow onto my driveway so i wouldn't have a sheet of glare ice where things had previously melted.

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[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Waitasec, I'm no expert, but I thought the whole Rapture thing required all the Jewish people to be gathered into one place first. So, they literally require every Jewish person in America to be deported to Israel for their whole process to even begin.

Did I misunderstand something?

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Did I misunderstand something?

Yeah, the fact that the Rapture is 19th-century snake-juggler fanfic which has no biblical basis besides insane free association based on a few ambiguous phrases here and there. Also, the guy who wrote Revelation was definitely mentally ill and obsessed with revenge.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Sure. But it's legitimacy is irrelevant so long as they believe it, which they do.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'd say the provenance of those beliefs is relevant, since it tells you what kind of rubes we're talking about. A 2000-year-old religion is one thing, even if its foundational beliefs are mythical. Some half-assed bullshit cobbbled together by a gaggle of late-19th-century and early-20th-century hucksters doesn't even have the excuse that at least they built a few cathedrals, wrote some good music and did some good paintings, along with all the life-denying superstition and oppression.

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[–] errer@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

I think the point is if what they believe in is a string of randomly connected bits of fiction, it’s not too much of a leap to think that they would omit or include a new bit of fiction to fit whatever the situation currently is.

[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

You know that the Revelation is a political pamphlet, right? It's actually amazing that it got included in the canon.

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

The guy that wrote Revalations was more than likely in the throws of ergot poisoning.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago

The Christian leaders also see their parishioners spending all their money on gas, on the way to church, instead of on tithing.

[–] alfredon996@feddit.it 2 points 2 months ago

He later said: “So, we need, I, I would really, I’m demanding that these countries come in and protect their own territory because it is their territory, it’s the place from which they get their energy and they should come and they should help us protect it.”

Sure, you fucked up everything, but other countries have to resolve the situation that you created.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

It’s Iran’s terrority, and Iran is defending it after being attacked…

Reminds me of an old cartoon. Teacher is separating two boys who were fighting and says "Billy, who started the fight?" Billy answers "Tommy started it! He hit me back!"

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