as this post pointed out, I was an asshole, And I took trolling too far, genocide denial or harming the community was not my intention as I was trying to find reasons to troll hexbear through my two accounts, and was spurred on by members of the community with alternative intentions that didn’t occur to me at the time, such as _cryptagion
as shown here, a message from the /0 matrix:
I do not represent Dbzer0 or AN in anyway possible, and that post doesn’t represent my views at all, it was just a shitty attempt at humour that went too far, you could consider this an apology, you have every right to hate me, but if you all have the space in your hearts to forgive me, it would be much appreciated.
Might be worth re-evaluating what sort of people and narratives you're listening to if you recognize that the one post is genocide denial. I agree with the instance owner that one should take ownership of their actions, but I also very strongly believe that it's worth outing people encouraging saying such repugnant things.
I'd also be a little concerned that there were people ("tankies") who pretty calmly tried to explain this to you, you seemingly ignored it, but someone from your ingroup going "this is dumb and embarassing" shocks you awake.
That would be me. She asked what would set people off the most, and I provided. Don't @ me, I'm not sorry.
No one @ed you, you showed up here on your own lmao.
When you want to own the tankies so bad you trip over your own feet and passively deny the murder of 27 million human beings. It would also set people off to deny the Holocaust, maybe don't use "this will make people angry" as a metric for whether something should be said.
Also "the real victims" as though there weren't many different "real victims".
I'm not denying it. I'm saying I don't mind authoritarians who helped the nazis getting killed. don't misconstrue my words and make it so passive.
Yeah, some ethnically-Polish dirt farmers in western Ukraine were really helping the Nazis when the OUN-B rolled up and engaged in the morally neutral act of killing them and their children.
I like how you asked him why he didn't deny the Holocaust and he promptly one-upped you with "actually the victims of the Holocaust had it coming"
It's funny how self-described "anti-authoritarians" are always a nudge away from advocating or excusing literal genocide
Hey anarchist nexus come get your genocidal fascist sympathizer.
Seriously, this is deeply shameful. I can't imagine that that community would actually tolerate this kind of rhetoric.
Always remember than at least 50% of Western "anarchists" are just angry and poorly politically educated liberals who read 3 pamphlets and nodded, "yeah". They don't deserve the label of anarchist and are not motivated by empathy for the oppressed, but wield it selectively as a cudgel to bully those who get in the way of their personal self-actualization, which is often just talking shit and spreading rumors about things they have never investigated.
IMO that's probably true of a lot of westerners who don't claim to be anarchists too. Still, I can't imagine the admins of that instance are OK with "if your have 'authoritarian' leaders then 27 million of you deserve to be killed by nazis". It's such a blatantly genocidal thing to say in service of "trolling" people on the internet.
2 days later and this genocide apologetic user remains a mod of several communities at their home instance and two db0 communities.
I agree it was a terrible take. But I think it's pretty well known by now _cryptagion likes to be a bit of a provocateur. And to be honest, you also have a few users on your instance who make similar hyperbolic statements in the other direction. So, no, I'm not planning to demod him over some inflamed rhetoric about events that happened 80+ years ago. I have removed the offending comments though and I'm satisfied he won't poke the bears in their own den again. And perhaps most importantly, he won't be enabling Kittyroll to get herself into trouble again.
Thanks to everyone who was so kind and forgiving to Kittyroll.
Genocide apologist.
Which hexbear users are justifying genocide?
Nazis doing genocide.
Are you confident he won't justify genocide again?
I think tolerating Nazi apologist mods is a bad look for an instance for anarchists. Apparently this is controversial.
His sentiment was that the russians got their just desserts, since they colluded with the nazis early in the war. I mean to be honest, that doesn't seem like nazi apologia to me. And I know we won't agree on that, but let's agree to disagree.
"This guy got caught grooming a young person into posting literal Nazi apologia but we're not going to ban or even de-mod him"
I mean I would not be surprised. I'm not assuming they're cool with it but it would not be very different from the "anarchists" irl that have threatened fellow lefties at actions, concocted fake abuse stories, pedaled extreme orientalism against China and wishing for war with them.
Putting aside your ahistorical view of the M-R pact, these were 27 million people who committed no crime. "They deserved it" is still genocide denial, and is in fact worse than "it didn't happen".
"why won't people think of the nazi collaborators?"
go make a post about me again on c/slop so I can be on your minds for a bit.
Something tells me that this hitlerite peace of shit wouldn't extend this smear to British, French, or American war dead. @_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus, if you're reading this, please genuinely examine your position of supporting Nazi genocide. Anti-communism invariably is linked to Nazi ideology, as can be seen in the American red scare, or the treaty of alliance between Japan and the Nazis being called the "anti comintern pact". You are a useful idiot for nazis because you can't get over intra-left grievances from 1917 or whatever you whine about.
Lack of object permanence means he can only remember the last non-aggression pacts signed with the Nazis. Since those were signed first they couldn't fit in his memory.
Wow three slurs in rapid succession, just before the user's name. Can you maybe ★ those out?
anarchist: "working with nazis is bad" tankie: "is this fascism?"
the only good authoritarian is a dead one.
I'll pass lol.
@tenchiken@anarchist.nexus
@unruffled@anarchist.nexus
This user is using your matrix to convince your young users (is she a minor?) Into posting genocide denial in order to troll.
Is this appropriate behavior for your instance?
No and I will talk to cryptagion about it.
While directly we've only had pleasant conversations, you seem to be quite the provocateur.
That's a much lamer deflection than anything she said. Why not just post some racial caricatures? Why not deny the Holocaust? I promise you that would produce at least as much contempt (and probably more, due to personal proximity). I think the reason that you said one and not the other is pretty obvious, which is that you duly recognize that what I just mentioned is repugnant and inappropriate to do for the sake of "trolling" but bear no such consideration for the line that you ended up providing. I'd suggest that that's why you offered it in such a generalized way, because when someone thinks for even a second about what you're really saying, that you're downplaying a massive genocidal campaign, not just owning teh Reds, then suddenly it doesn't feel like fun and games anymore.
Get a fucking grip. Be anti-ML all you want, I don't care, but if you're resorting to sounding like an actual fascist to own the tankies, you clearly lack the moral high ground you imagine yourself to have.
GOOD post. Not for this user, on who it's wasted, but as a general point to people who want to "own" "authoritarians" online.