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My partner is Lebanese and one issue that has consistently come up with any discussion of Marxism (and honestly the online left as a whole) is Uyghur genocide denial. Essentially, they see it as proof of (white) western leftists being hypocrites and having a glaring Islamophobia problem. I'm inclined to defer to them, but at the same time, I've found myself often politically aligning with MLs on other issues, and I know very little about Chinese internal politics or the Uyghurs myself, so I would greatly appreciate being able to get an understanding of what the ML perspective is.

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[–] darkernations@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My partner is Lebanese and one issue that has consistently come up with any discussion of Marxism (and honestly the online left as a whole) is Uyghur genocide denial.

Unfortunately a lot of sectarianist BS amplifying western propaganda. The west cares neither about muslims nor the chinese but somehow cares about chinese muslims. It is very difficult to convince someone who has bought into the sectarianism to step out of the bubble because you are essentially asking them not to believe salafist/wahabbist perspectives which has now become unfortunately instutuionalised into various sunni institutions the world over; the most overt example is the overwhelming lack of response to the genocide by the Sunni world in sharp contrast to the Shi'ite (namely Hezbollah, Ansarallah and Iran).

I mean the whole thing was initially based on Adrian Zenz' paper (German far right Christian fundementalist nutjob with Langley/CIA links) using I think of sample of 8 people who can't be traced/sourced properly and extrapolated to the whole region.

There are a ton of videos online about Xinxiang where ordinary folks go there and see how Uighurs live with their language on the currency, high HDI, advsnced infrastructure and technology, empowerment of local farmers and fisherman with agricultural tech, in charge of local governments and often beating the west on standard of living. And obviously no apartheid.

There have been so many visits from Islamic countries dignitataries and heads of state, various corporations around the world who have to make the case to their own anti-chinese western governments to make the case that Xinjiang is safe (VW report being the most famous example).

If one cannot differentiate between salafist extremism and how to fight that versus attempts to keep local islamic culture against forced SA/UAE/qatari imports then trying to convince someone otherwise is an uphill battle.

If you got the money, go visit there. There's nothing that will beat western propaganda than seeing with your own eyes.