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The first American ‘scientific refugees’ arrive in France (www.politico.eu)

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The first American academics fleeing Donald Trump's America for France have arrived.

Aix-Marseille University last week introduced eight U.S.-based researchers who were in the final stage of joining the institution's “Safe Place for Science" program, which aims to woo researchers who have experienced or fear funding cuts under the Trump administration. AMU offers the promise of a brighter future in the sun-drenched Mediterranean port city.

While both France and the European Union have launched multimillion-euro plans to woo researchers across the pond since Trump assumed the U.S. presidency in January, AMU's initiative was the first of its kind in the country — meaning the eight researchers who were welcomed are the first academic refugees planning to trade the United States for France.

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[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Please expand on how the highest paying research is corporate, and how that proves your point. It sounds very much like the hand-wavy stuff people say before they start yelling because they have no argument, but I want to give you the benefit of the doubt. Are you yourself a researcher?

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

WTF?
The article even state this fact as a barrier to attract scientists to Europe from USA.
But here you go:

https://www.coursera.org/articles/research-scientist-salary?campaignid=20858198824&adgroupid=&device=c&keyword=&matchtype=&network=x&devicemodel=&creativeid=&assetgroupid=6490027433&targetid=&extensionid=&placement=&gad_campaignid=20854471652

Lyft: $175,144
Flexport: $174,532
Meta: $171,477
Netflix: $168,720
StubHub: $167,700
Google: $167,427
DoorDash: $166,792
eBay: $166,231
Waymo: $163,156
NVIDIA: $162,497

Everybody who has followed this issue even superficially knows this!!
Universities in USA also pay more, because they are very commercially oriented, and American universities compete on prestige, and they have more money than other universities around the world.

Try to look it up, and find info to the contrary if you don't believe it. This is freaking common knowledge!

[–] frazw@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It has only been 6 months. The effects of this administration will not appear in tables of budgets and salaries yet. Although in simple terms it will probably still look ok, it is far less attractive.

Cost of living matters too. From simple things like how much broadband costs (uk: £30 pcm, usa: $78 pcm) to an ambulance ride (uk: free, usa:$2000). The higher salary is an illusion.

I also note that every company in your list is a tech company. Researchers in other fields are probably not going to be as lucky.

Buying in instrumentation is also now more expensive due to tariffs so your research budget was effectively cut as well as being actually cut. Scientists with approved grants for equipment have had them revoked. Universities are advising not spending funds to provide contingency funds.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Cost of living matters too.

Of course it does, the article also mention that, did you even read the article?

[–] frazw@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Yes I did. Your point is simply "but... more money!!!" Ignoring that bigger numbers are not the whole story.