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Thoughts on Third Worldism? (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by Zronger@lemmygrad.ml to c/asklemmygrad@lemmygrad.ml

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I have often heard ultra-lefts describe Marxists who oppose settler-colonialism and uphold AES as being "Third Worldists".

Looking at what people like Jason Unruhe have to say about the topic, Third Worldism does not seem entirely baseless (e.g. the proletariat in the imperial core more often being labor aristocrats).

So, what are our thoughts on Third Worldism?

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[–] Makan@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

From what I've heard though, Perry Anderson's work on Western Marxism is a good read and I have it on my list.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

heard from whom? Perry Anderson is literally the embodiment of western marxism.

[–] Makan@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We talking about the same one?

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The book i mentioned by Losurdo is literally a reply to Perry Anderson, and you are here recommending me his work! 😂 This is as if after recommending you to read Lenin, you replied me with saying that i should read Kautsky ffs.

[–] Makan@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I was not, I think. I was just saying that I heard good things about Perry Anderson's work.

But I see that you weren't referring to Perry Anderson's work, but Domenico Losurdo's here.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Read the things before recommending them, you're here throwing trotstkyist anti-AES writers as recommendations.

[–] Makan@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 10 months ago

I am not and I read everything, even Hinterland, which is anti-AES to a degree, but that's not the point of the book, and it's observations cannot be denied and are well-argued and researched.

[–] grabonex@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Wait, from the perspective of a Third Worldist, isn’t Perry Anderson’s Western Marxism precisely the problem? That’s at least what I gathered, without having read Losurdo specifically, from reviews of his work such as this one https://monthlyreview.org/press/201187/

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 10 months ago

yes, it's precisely that. its like recommending kautsky after mentioning lenin.

[–] Makan@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I've heard mixed things, good and bad, and that's why I (partly) intend to read it, but keep in mind that Monthly Review, while good, isn't the only authority on Marxism-Leninism.

I will give you my thoughts and report back on the book; at the very least, Perry Anderson has been quite critical of Western Marxism.