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I think you misinterpreted their message. Their argument is that it's an expectation that the professional RTFM (more accurately, to have already done so) which shouldn't carry over to hobbyists. At least not as strictly. Put another way, "The certified Toyota technician needs to have the fancy book learnin' while the weekend wrencher or shadetree mechanic shouldn't be held to the same standard."

I disagree insofar as, short of inaccessible resources (sadly becoming more common in my automotive example) or a lack of time and money, there's no reason a hobbyist shouldn't strive to educate themselves and achieve professional level of excellence. So long as they enjoy it, anyway. That's really the point of a hobby.

Counterpoint: Aside from disabilities which specifically impact reading, why wouldn't someone want to read when it comes to their hobbies? A hobby is something one intentionally devotes time to, typically unpaid and nonprofessionally, because they enjoy it and they want to learn more about it. A large amount of my enjoyment is derived from learning more about the things I enjoy, so not wanting to consume that information makes no sense to me.

I can understand, for example, gaming as a hobby and wanting quick answers if one is jumping ship from Windows to Linux. Linux isn't the hobby there; just a means to an end. I'd still argue the gamer should develop some level of proficiency with their underlying OS. Otherwise it's like having trail riding as a hobby without any knowledge or tools to patch a tube, tension a chain or tighten a bolt. One might end up in a situation where they can't just get an instant answer. Investing a little time in the mechanics could keep a short ride from turning into a long trudge out with a bike over the shoulder.

In the context of "Linux", broadly, as a hobby - what even is that hobby if it isn't making an honest effort to learn broadly about various tools, the kernel, scripting and programming languages, and so forth? Linux always struck me as a hobby for people who collect hobbies. Or people that have "learning" as a hobby. It's why, while I'll probably never work a day of my life in IT, I know how to do some basic SQL queries, hit an API and parse the JSON, do a little scripting in Bash and Python, utilize a load of CLI tooling much more efficiently than any Windows GUI I've ever used, and so on. I'll never know it all but part of the fun is trying anyway.

Do you believe law and ethics are separable? Does your "these systems save lives" not speak to the very reasoning employed to codify an ethical position into the law of the land?

Chicago95 definitely taps into the nostalgia for us old heads.

I've been using Linux for considerably longer, and I started off with things like BB4Win (meant to mimic the Blackbox window manager but on Windows) before I switched, so I was constantly trying different UI experiences and seeking out more customization options even before moving to Linux. Part of the Winamp, "skin all the things," generation. Switching DEs is a non-issue these days but I have my preferences. I loved old Gnome 2 so I found Cinnamon nice enough. xfce too. I don't dislike current Gnome but I've settled in to KDE these day. I lived in Xmonad for a while so I'll also happily take any TWM that preferably isn't it's own hobby project to configure and maintain.

I think the story goes that if you stick around too long, ignoring the red flags and warnings from your friends, one day you wake up in a bathtub full of ice and she's on her way to the highest bidder with your kidneys in a cooler.

FFF (Fighting For Fun) made some of my favorites. This is as good a thread as any to ask: I'm pretty sure FFF made a keygen with the main window having a pixel art'ish Milton, from "Office Space," with his red Swingline stapler and I'm trying to find it. Anyone remember it and maybe have a screenshot or something?

I rarely pirated software back in the day except maybe Photoshop 7 (give or take a release) plus a couple popular plugins like "Eye Candy", 3D Studio Max 5, or something like Nero Burning Rom but I don't think it was for any of those. I associate the song at 4:20 of this video with it but I could be mixing memories at this point. The comment with the timestamps says it was used for Virtual Painter. That was standalone software but also a PS plugin (?), but unfortunately doesn't ring a bell with me.

Anyway, I've been trying to find that silly pixel Milton off and on over the years if anyone else happens to remember it.

I should've clarified: "I actually loved that machine, referring to the HP*, ..."

The HP was my first successful Arch machine, after various failures due mostly to impatience and incomplete knowledge; failing to install necessary drivers, not understanding how easy it is to just boot the live media, chroot back in and fix those sorts of things, and so on. It marked a point in my life where I just really went into crunch-mode, consuming as much as I could about as much as I could.

The Compaq was a hunk of junk, even when it was new. I can't imagine servicing them was remotely pleasant, but I'll give it credit for being the first machine I ever ran Linux on. Even if it did so poorly, "we all start somewhere."

Just the battery for the thing probably weighed more than my next two laptops combined, and one was a 17" "Media" edition HP with the DVD ROM and the full keyboard with numpad. I actually loved that machine, and it ran Arch for a good while, before HP's garbage thermal management (and, likely, aging solder) killed it.

I still have it because of sentimental stupidity and it being the only one I've ever stickerbombed the hell out of. I might need to craigslist a toaster oven just for hobby projects and see if I can bake it back to life. Would make a fine addition to "in case of LAN party" stack of old laptops I keep around for when friends are over and want to run some CS:S, Quake 3, Brood War or whatever.

My first was Slackware. I don't remember much other than following instructions really well and coming away with a working, albeit slow, OS. There was a joke video making the rounds back then of someone opening their laptop in a library or something and the Windows startup chime playing so slooooooooow. That was unfortunately my embarrassing experience, in a community college class, with the KDE startup chime. I didn't know anything about TWMs, the terminal, or anything else really and foolishly thought my secondhand, 90s Compaq Presario (?) laptop would run a full DE in the mid 00s.

Anyway I got Ubuntu running a while later, when the Beryl (Compiz) cube desktop videos were showing up everywhere, and it was much easier. Same time Live CDs got popular and you could test run the OS. Then did Debían for a while because I hated Unity and the end of Gnome 2. Riced out Arch with Xmonad after that, learning Emacs, Vim, TeX, Bash and so on along with the various coreutils. Arch(wiki) and some solid YouTubers got me finally learning to be a proper power user.

Now, servers aside, I've just got a Steam Deck and WSL. My next build, when/if prices get less stupid, will probably be Arch again unless I do the lazy thing and run with Bazzite or similar. I love Arch but I hate the occasional troubleshooting after I don't update for a while, even if I have gotten better at it.

I'd have to run the numbers but, once the various productivity research gets upgraded a bit, I'm thinking it might not be too hard to abuse asteroids as a form of infinite resources. Or, at the least, as a pretty significant supplement to terrestrial resources. I'm just theorycrafting in my head right now but I'm expecting my space casinos to get nerfed soon enough and they'll hopefully repurpose easily into a new astro-mining role.