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  • Trump sent Guard troops and Marines to Los Angeles
  • California challenges legality of use of Guard troops

Aug 11 (Reuters) - A landmark trial kicks off on Monday over the use by Donald Trump's administration of National Guard forces to support its deportation efforts and quell protests in Los Angeles, in a legal challenge to the U.S. president's break from long-standing norms against deploying troops on American streets.

The three-day non-jury trial before San Francisco-based U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer will determine if the government violated a 19th century law that bars the military from civil law enforcement when Trump deployed the troops in June, as the state of California claims in its legal challenge.

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[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 33 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Judge Charles Breyer will determine if the government violated a 19th century law that bars the military from civil law enforcement when Trump deployed the troops in June, as the state of California claims in its legal challenge

Let me make this short and sweet, yes, yes they did? Do we really need a trial of any kind for this? We all know the answer...

[–] Zagam@piefed.social 24 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Yes. But the process needs to be followed. Sure we could just skip it, but is that really the precedent we want to set?

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

No, I don't think it does. Following our legal process has done fuck all so far to stop these authoritarian fuckwits. There's really only one thing other than violence that will solve this, and thats a full on national work stoppage, for however long it takes. A couple of weeks without being able to go to the grocery store, or Target, or whoever else would make people absolute lose their mind. Happened during covid already, and that was actually for a good reason.

[–] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 4 points 8 months ago

The precedent is to go fast and break shit at this point.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago

Even if they wanted to, how would California's government "skip it?" Send in the California State Guard against the US military?

[–] Auntievenim@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The precedent for an occupying force inside an american city is revolution, please shut the fuck up

"The jews in germany really should have done more within the courts to oppose the enabling act, but nothing more because of the precedent it would set"

Your cowardice will condemn millions

[–] bobs_monkey@lemmy.zip 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Going through the process keeps our democracy and institutions in tact and shows dipshit that we still care about our constitution. Revolution throws all that out the window.

[–] Auntievenim@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Maybe, just maybe, the institutions failed and created this circumstance by design.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemmy.zip 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Or, assholes found and exploited weaknesses in the system, and those tasked with checking them are on the take. I wouldn't say totally failed, but failing absolutely.

[–] thedruid@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

The bright spot? Breyer has a history of ruling for therl states over the feds.

[–] 0li0li@lemmy.world 32 points 8 months ago (3 children)

When is the military going to start protecting the constitution and the people from a tyrant. I can't imagine there are yesmen in every rank of command, is there!?

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Every soldier is trained to quiet the voice inside their head that tells them to stop or they wouldn't be a good enough soldier to make command in the first place.

[–] jaxxed@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That is the difference with officer training.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago

My experience was different. But, then again, not American.

[–] discosnails@lemmy.wtf 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] 0li0li@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago
[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 7 points 8 months ago

Sir, yes, sir!!

[–] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

Trump Advocates Constitutional Overthrow.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 10 points 8 months ago

"Official acts"