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It marks the first long-term, stable operation of the technology, putting China at the forefront of a global race to harness thorium – considered a safer and more abundant alternative to uranium – for nuclear power.

The experimental reactor, located in the Gobi Desert in China’s west, uses molten salt as the fuel carrier and coolant, and thorium – a radioactive element abundant in the Earth’s crust – as the fuel source. The reactor is reportedly designed to sustainably generate 2 megawatts of thermal power.

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[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

For anyone not familiar with thorium...

Thorium is a great nuclear fuel. Much much safer than the uranium we currently use, because the reaction works best only within a narrow temperature band. Unlike uranium which can run away, a thorium reactor would become less efficient as it overheats possibly preventing a huge problem. That means the fuel must be melted into liquid to achieve the right temperature. That also provides a safety mechanism, you simply put a melt plug in the bottom of the reactor so if the reactor overheats the plug melts and all the fuel pours out into some safe containment system. This makes a Chernobyl / Fukushima style meltdown essentially impossible.

There are other benefits to this. The molten fuel can contain other elements as well, meaning a thorium reactor can actually consume nuclear waste from a uranium reactor as part of its fuel mix. The resulting waste from a thorium reactor is radioactive for dozens or hundreds of years not tens of thousands of years so you don't need a giant Yucca Mountain style disposal site.
And thorium is easy to find. Currently it is an undesirable waste product of mining other things, we have enough of it in waste piles to run our whole civilization for like 100 years. And there's plenty more to dig up.

There are challenges though. The molten uranium is usually contained in a molten salt solution, which is corrosive. This creates issues for pipes, pumps, valves, etc. The fuel also needs frequent reprocessing, meaning a truly viable thorium plant would most likely have a fuel processing facility as part of the plant.

The problems however are not unsolvable, Even with current technology. We actually had some research reactors running on thorium in the mid-1900s but uranium got the official endorsement, perhaps because you can't use a thorium reactor to build bombs. So we basically abandoned the technology.

China has been heavily investing in thorium for a while. This appears to be one of the results of that investment. Now this is a tiny baby reactor, basically a lab toy, a proof of concept. Don't expect this to power anybody's house. The point is though, it works. You have a 2 megawatt working reactor today, next you build a 20 megawatt demonstrator, then you start building out 200 megawatt units to attach to the power grid.

Obviously I have no crystal ball. But if this technology works, this is the start of something very big. I am sure China will continue developing this tech full throttle. If they make it work at scale, China becomes the first country in the world that essentially has unlimited energy. And then the rest of the world is buying their thorium reactors from China.

[–] Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Very nice explanation and only nitpicking, but saying that Thorium is much much safer than uranium implies that uranium nuclear plants are unsafe. In reality uranium nuclear power has one of the best safety records in energy production.

[–] Keineanung@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Thanks for a thorough explanation.

[–] Vorticity@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If true, this is a huge step! Congrats to China!

"Strategic stamina" is something that the US used to have but which has disappeared as the country just tries to catch its breath.

[–] bricklove@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

America has been strategically sitting on a couch eating strategic cheeseburgers for the past 50 years

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Me opening the comment section knowing that its just gonna be a bunch of racism... like i get it i hate the chinese government as well but give credit to the millions of scientists and people who are actually trying to make life better on this earth. If something isnt american, it can still be nice to have.

[–] Texas_Hangover@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where do you get racism? Did you just want to complain about racism?

[–] Arcturus@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Too lazy to scroll down an inch or two to see the comments questioning the tech just because it's China or making unrelated anti-China comments?

[–] Texas_Hangover@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Again, what the hell does that have to do with race? China is not a race.

[–] febra@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I personally believe the CCP is doing an amazing job. Communism is working wonderfully

EDIT: Anti-communists are hilarious. "It's not communism but capitalism." And if it is communism, then it is evil because communism bad. Or some made up stuff about uyghurs or queer people.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It's not communism, it's state-capitalism

[–] Teknikal@eviltoast.org -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think it's communism anymore but the Chinese gov are actually looking after their own citizens in my opinion. I kind wish Xi was in charge of the UK honestly.

They tend to think of everything long term and all of those projects are paying off, also Healthcare free education etc they are investing more in their own population than anyone else. US is in my opinion as UK guy pretty much done they've picked a fight that they won't win.

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Their own citizens...except for LGBTQ people or uyghurs of course.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Every time I read a headline about how there's a genocide in Xinjiang, it's in the same newspaper that insists Israel Has The Right To Defend Itself and Yemen needs to be bombed to powder.

At some point, it reads like liberal agitprop. An excuse to scare liberals into hating a foreign country so we can justify... what? Tariffs? TikTok bans? Nuclear war?

Same with LGBTQ rights. We've got a DOGE department doing a pogrom on "woke" government workers while I still get an earful about how mean China is to minority groups?

What am I supposed to take away from this?

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That the world isn't black and white, and both sides can be awful at the same time.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Sometimes a country will inflate the appearance of problems in an enemy nation in order to stoke resentment at home and justify military action abroad.

In Iraq, we made up a bunch of lies about soldiers murdering babies in incubators. After Vietnam, we had Cold Warriors repeating the POW/MIA lies that suggested they were holding hundreds of American hostages for decades, in order to justify continued sanctions and embargos. The slanders against Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela, and Iran have been relentless, all while the US conducted insidious guerrilla wars that have raped, mutilated, and killed countless civilians.

At some point "Both Sides Are Bad" doesn't cut it. You have to address your own nation's sins - the lies, the sabotage, the assassinations and us sponsored genocides - before a rational listener can take criticism of your political rivals seriously.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Uyghur genocide situation has been confirmed by multiple countries, please don't start a genocide denial debate here.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/06/13/michelle-bachelets-failed-xinjiang-trip-has-tainted-her-whole-legacy/

The Western response to UN officials investigating Xinjiang and failing to find confirmation of the salacious rumors is to call the UN a failure.

The same criticisms hurled at UN investigators attempting to confirm these accusations today are mirrored by IAEA efforts to find nuclear weapons in Iraq. You've got Christian nationalists pushing far-right warmongering and fear mongering, in an attempt to curb China's growing economic clout in the region. And it has culminated in the Trump presidency, and the full collapse of the US as a credible source of intelligence.

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Two wrongs don't make a right. Or are you denying Uyghurs are being persecuted?

[–] Gemeinagent@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Uh, what about the THTR-300 that operated at 300MW capacity from 1987 to 1989?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/THTR-300

It was a total failure, though. Not quite Chernobyl, but it was plagued by incidents.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Honestly, I'm not a nuclear physicist by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm not sure how they plan to emergency cool the reactor to prevent a meltdown if it's filled with molten salt. Anything colder than molten salt going into the reactor would cause it to be clogged up by not-molten salt.

At least the THTR seemed to have cooling capabilities as the foremost priority.

[–] yogurt@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

They put a plug in the bottom that melts if the salt gets too hot and it drains out into a tank that stops the reaction with no moving parts or anyone controlling it. After it cools down they can remelt it and put it back in.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is this real? Pretty cool if they can actually stop the reaction with such

[–] SwordandArt@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yes I remember reading about this a while back. It’s one of the main reasons thorium rectors are so much safer.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I remember reading about this one, able to fit in a small area and be moved, but never knew if it was thorium

https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/safe-micro-nuclear-reactor-truck

Haven't read up on much of it, just remembered it in passing.

[–] Leeuk@feddit.uk 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

On most of the fediverse, I find discussions really great with no idiots/trolls... apart from technology. Here it seems some get triggered by any tech from outside the US.

This announcement would be seen as a massive breakthrough anywhere else. China has its problems, I'm fully aware of the red flags and government influence. But only a fool would question their technological advances at this point. They are moving ahead at lightning speed, especially in energy and battery tech.

Even on the consumer side, Huawei invested more in R&D last year than Samsung or Intel. Huawei consumer division could have been expected to be dead by now with the chip ban, yet survived and are thriving again. Not because the Chinese were forced to by their phones, Apple still sell in China, but because they innovated like hell. A Chinese buyer has the option today of buying a tri-folding tablet phone with super fast charging or an American designed device with 3 year old tech (chip aside). Americans don't have that choice.

Its also the reason why traditional European car brands are tanking in China. VW can no longer expect to sell on prestige alone. Here in Britain, our consumer tech offering is already almost non existent. We no longer have a true British owned car company. Our famous Mini was sold to the Germans. Jaguar/Range Rover to the Indians. MG to the Chinese. Its depressing. But I do feel fortunate to at least have choice (we can buy a BYD or Xiaomi here) and that I'm not subject to only American tech reporting. BYD will later this year have 7 different car models on sale in Britain vs 6 (soon to be 5) from Ford. This is a paradigm shift, considering for almost the last 20 years Ford had at least 2 cars in the top 5 best sellers in the UK.

Apologies for going off on one. But i'd highly recommend US readers check out Chinese tech sites from time to time (eg carnewschina/huawei central etc) rather than just relying on the verge. Sure not all Chinese tech will be successful, sure some designs may be clones, but the shear scale of investment from China will make them unstoppable. I believe the changing of the guard happened a while ago, where about to see it play out in all industries...

[–] opossumo@lemmings.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

What are you on about?

Nearly every upvoted comment is in praise of this. Only 2 comments warn caution about Chinese data.

Why do people need to lie and pretend China is this big victim being picked on.

You would never write a paragraph like that in defense of the amount of anti-US sentiment on Lemmy, so it’s not like you actually care about being fair to nations. Posts like yours reek of nothing more than propaganda.

[–] Binette@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

scrolled past and saw one for almost every subthread.

Post about western achievements are often taken as granted (except maybe curing cancer), while eastern ones are scrutinised to the smallest of details.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

Not Eastern ones, Chinese specifically. Japanese or Korean science is generally trusted, but dictatorships have a tendency of making shit up to look better. We'll believe it when we see it.

China has plenty of achievements, but also plenty of bullshit vaporware. We'll see which one this is.

[–] xav@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

China has its problems, I'm fully aware of the red flags

I see what you did here

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

this is toy sized reactor, not even entire technology demonstrator, there are medical isotope/research reactors with power 20MWt and more

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

take the thinly veiled racism elsewhere

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems -1 points 1 year ago

what the fuck are you talking about