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I read the first 3 Dune books after seeing the movie and hearing about the challenges of getting that story on the screen. Love the first 2, the ending of the 3rd was ok.

I’m 3/4ths through the 4th and final Hyperion books. Absolutely incredible, I’m disappointed knowing I’ll be done with it soon. I highly recommend it if you’re at all curious. The author does an excellent job sneaking deep references into the colorful narrative; Keats and Ancient Greek mythology among them. The characters are vivid, varied, and somehow all relatable.

When I was younger I liked Vonnegut, specifically Galapagos, cats cradle, and slaughter house 5. I recently read Philip K Dicks “do androids… electric sheep” and wasn’t a fan. I loved the film blade runner, but the book kind of trudged on for me with, what I felt was, a let down of an ending. Asimov’s foundation was ok, but it lacked action and the characters seemed thin; I do like the concept a lot, it was just missing something for me.

So what’s next? I read a few classics in school and wasn’t terribly moved by most of them. I’ve considered giving Philip K Dick another chance, and possibly exploring the Dune books not authored by Herbert. I’m not a big fan of fantasy- at least in the horse riding, sword wielding, magic and sorcery vein.

Thanks for any suggestions

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[–] wer2@lemmy.zip 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The Book of the New Sun (really 4 books) gave me the feeling of reading Dune, Hyperion, and Lord of the Rings kind of wrapped into one.

I would also recommend the 4th Dune book (God Emporor), as it wraps up where the first 3 books were going with the Golden Path. After that, he starts a new trilogy, which doesn't get finished, so results may vary.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Second The Book Of The New Sun - it’s dense and really rewards re-reading.

There’s also the Urth Of The New Sun, which sort-of concludes the story.

[–] wer2@lemmy.zip 1 points 11 months ago

I liked Urth of the New Sun, but I can also see why it is separate from the others. For me it felt like a step back for the main character.

[–] gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

I second the finishing of the quatrology. I think one could stop at the first book, maybe even the second, but if you're in for the third you should be in for the fourth.

[–] ieGod@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 months ago

Just wrapped up Fall of Hyperion, which I enjoyed, but much less than Hyperion. I don't think I'm interested in finishing the series though. I've moved on to The Three Body Problem.

[–] baldingpudenda@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Blindsight by Peter watts.

Now some half-derelict space probe, sparking fitfully past Neptune’s orbit, hears a whisper from the edge of the solar system: a faint signal sweeping the cosmos like a lighthouse beam. Whatever’s out there isn’t talking to us. It’s talking to some distant star, perhaps. Or perhaps to something closer, something en route.

So who do you send to force introductions on an intelligence with motives unknown, maybe unknowable? Who do you send to meet the alien when the alien doesn’t want to meet?

You send a linguist with multiple personalities, her brain surgically partitioned into separate, sentient processing cores. You send a biologist so radically interfaced with machinery that he sees X-rays and tastes ultrasound, so compromised by grafts and splices he no longer feels his own flesh. You send a pacifist warrior in the faint hope she won’t be needed, and a fainter hope she’ll do any good if she is needed. You send a monster to command them all, an extinct hominid predator once called “vampire,” recalled from the grave with the voodoo of recombinant genetics and the blood of sociopaths. And you send a synthesist – an informational topologist with half his mind gone – as an interface between here and there, a conduit through which the Dead Center might hope to understand the Bleeding Edge.

Blindsight is the ability of people who are cortically blind to respond to visual stimuli that they do not consciously see due to lesions in the primary visual cortex, also known as the striate cortex or Brodmann Area 17. --Wikipedia

[–] lagoon8622@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)
  • Octavia Butler
  • Ursula K Le Guin

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[–] MagnumDovetails@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I’ve heard of Le Guin, thanks for the recommendations

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

The Dispossessed is a really interesting look at anarchism in practice

Also may I recommend the Culture series by Iain M Banks.

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Some of my suggestions:

  • Forever War - due to time dilation this story follows combatants that spend decades at war while on earth hundreds of years pass (inspired by the Vietnam War).
  • Stanger in a Strange Land - Story of a human raised by Martians coming to earth. Has similar religious notes as dune and hyperion, but also has a weird Ayn Rand vibe (in my opinion, also not necessarily in a bad way).
[–] eightpix@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

The Forever War is such an important and great read. I'd put it alongside Catch-22 and Johnny Got His Gun for an anti-war novel.

[–] Rhaxapopouetl@ttrpg.network 1 points 11 months ago

Give Philip K Dick a chance: Start with 'Ubik'. I think we all need a little bit of Dick in our lives, to broaden our horizons.

[–] TrueStoryBob@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Haven't seen these mentioned here, but the "Old Man's War" series by John Scalzi is great as are "The Expanse" books by James SA Corey. I'd highly recommend those to anyone, but especially those looking for grounded and hard-ish sci-fi that doesn't lose the reader or become overly technical.

I highly highly recommend Old Man's War to anyone looking to get into sci-fi novels for the first time, Scalzi really takes care of his reader and his writing is a delight. The Expanse books are awesome whether or not you've seen the TV series... the show runners really took care with the source material and, ask any fan of the books, it is a great adaptation. The show hits the same plot points of the books while getting there in new and interesting ways. Further, the show created a new character in Kamina Drummer who immediately became a fan favorite of both show and book lovers (she's an amalgamation of a couple of book characters and becomes her own thing that really adds SO much to the story and world building).

[–] HessiaNerd@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

I wouldn't recommend Anderson Dune books.

Pohl has some classics Heechee Saga Space Merchants Man Plus

Ringworld

Vernor Vinge: Fire Upon the Deep

John Scalzi: Old Mans War Series

[–] wolfrasin@lemmy.today 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Dogs of war

To sleep in a sea of stars

Expeditionary Force

Three body problem

[–] HessiaNerd@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I gotta say I think Three Body Problem is not very good. Some interesting ideas and an interesting perspective re:Chinese revolution, but as a story it was weak. Plus when you get to the second book it drags out the premise so much and relies on basically deus ex machinima to handwave the plot holes.

[–] ieGod@lemmy.zip 2 points 10 months ago

I'm struggling to get through the first book. The writing is just downright bad.

[–] GrayBackgroundMusic@lemmy.zip 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The 4th and final you say? That means Endymion and it's sequel. I couldn't stand them. Loved Hyperion. Additionally loved Ilium hated Olympos. Idk what it is about Simmons and his inability to stick the landing for me.

[–] Fidgetting@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Honestly Hyperion landed so hard for me that I didn't need the second or the Endymion books. The second is certainly superior to the rest but Hyperion was so magical that it was just downhill from there for me.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 months ago

The first book is such a well-contained story, when I started the second one, I just had no interest in continuing it and potentially ruining it for myself. So I didn't.

[–] lonlazarus@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I believe the most popular PKD is Man in the High Castle, my favorite is Ubik. But to be honest, if you disliked Do Androids, PKD may just not be your thing.

Hmmm… maybe next go for something a little less ponderous, try some Neal Stephenson, maybe Diamond Age.

[–] BruisedMoose@piefed.social 1 points 11 months ago

I read Snow Crash last year and it was one of the worst slogs I've ever endured. I get that people like Stephenson, but definitely not for me.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemmy.zip 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Absolutely incredible, I’m disappointed knowing I’ll be done with it soon.

Hyperion was def one of those series that I was sad to finish, like, it impacted me that "how tf can there be no more of it" way more than the norm.

Simmons in general has a very wide variety of topics in genres & Hyperion alternates them nicely (while never really leaving sci-fi).

any suggestions

Maybe as a short palette cleanser 'The Terror' by the same author? It's completely different, but nicely done. I've read a few more books by Simmons after Hyperion & this one stood out* a bit more (it's not as polished as Hyperions, but much more than the rest I've read - overall easy to read, I like it when the setting/spaces are always explained, and most importantly it's one of those stories that I gladly let live in my mind).
Warning: it has one instance of horse riding! But it's in horny a flashback :). It's a historical fantasy with good semifictional characters, really tasteful blend of actual Inuit stories, historical nautical facts, & authors own derived reality of both, also one of the top tier "monsters" ever ... and the Hyperion-style technical description that make sense of the basically literal alien world (the same story could have been set in planet exploration).
[*Edit: I completely forgot about Ilium & Olympos. Those are sort of more of the sci-fi with the expected classical twist, but I stand by my Terror recommendation too, it just lacks interplanetary travel.]

The real suggestion (and I can't/am unable to explain why the association in my mind) is the Rama series by Arthur C. Clarke. It's prob one of the top easiest writer/books for me to read (the way things are explained & which things are explained, how characters act, etc). It's nicely logical & absurdity fantastical without it ever being fantastical for the sake of being fantastical (ie the big amazing things always make sense & don't seem forced or unlikely).

[–] DaMonsterKnees@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I fucking did not like that book. I did not like any of the characters. Grrrr to that book. That is all. I guess in saying I wouldn't go more Hyperion. Do Revelation Space Series. Much better.

[–] Speculater@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I gave Hyperion about 200 pages and they were STILL world building and offering leading secrets the author didn't think the reader needed to know. So I just gave up.

[–] DaMonsterKnees@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

Couldn't agree more. I guess what baffled me was all the years it was pushed on me. Canterbury Tales in space. Got it. Didn't much care for the thing when Mrs. Baker was pushing allegorical shit and what not and I'm not digging it now that everyone is nothing I'm interested in rooting for. Harumph!