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[–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just violate their rules and enable the microsoft extensions on forks

[–] bhamlin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

That's just it, these extensions themselves refuse to run if the fork doesn't say it is vs code. You'd have to build it yourself to report compliant information to the extension, or build the extension yourself to not check. Both of which are not trivial.

[–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

A company that is known for doing shitty things does shitty things.

Color me fucking surprised.

Honestly, at this point, I have ZERO sympathy for people who are still actively using microsoft products and running into problems.

[–] Ramenator@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yeah, they have already done this with other extensions like Python, this is not new behavior.
Honestly the biggest reason to stay away from VS Code

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[–] PushButton@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Oh, Microsoft is pulling the rug under your feet?

That's fuckin' news right there!

[–] vermaterc@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (19 children)

A few things to point out:

  • Microsoft created this extension and pays money to develop it
  • Despite that, they give it to programmers for free. It is still free of charge.
  • They explicitly said that using it outside of their products is forbidden (according to article: at least 5 years ago), they just didn't enforce it
  • Someone (here: Cursor developers), despite that, used it in their products and started to make money from it

What exactly are you mad at? When will programming community finally understand that Microsoft is not a non-profit company and its primary purpose is to make money?

[–] PokerChips@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Because a .vscode still pollute most open source projects. It"s annoying that they get people hooked on it that could use better tools instead.

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[–] priapus@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Plus you can always just use clangd. Its what I've always used with every text editor that has LSP support.

[–] XPost3000@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Honestly moving to clangd has got to be the single best thing I've done in C++, it's cross platform and I've found it to be significantly faster, more reliable, and more featureful than Microsoft's C++ plugin by a long shot

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[–] mamotromico@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Another reason to hate LLMs on the list.

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

Stallman was right, episode five billion.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe we need a new movement (or revisit past ideas from the 70s) that focuses on ensuring the openness regarding freedoms of computing (😉) that combat proprietary SaaS offerings? idk.

This is why OSS as an org needs a change IMO. Licenses like SSPLv1, where software can be supplied for free with options that allow a company to make money without risk of a cloud vendor snapping up their software (think Redis, MongoDB, etc) need a place at the table.

[–] moonpiedumplings@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Licenses like SSPLv1

The SSPL requires that all software used to deploy SSPL software is open sourced. If I deploy my software on Windows, do I have to provide the source code for Windows? What about the proprietary hardware drivers, or Intel Management Engine?

The SSPL is not the next generation of licenses, it is effectively unusable. And both Redis and Mongo, dual licensed their software as the SSPL, and a proprietary license — effectively making their entire software proprietary.

make money without risk of a cloud vendor snapping up their software (think Redis, MongoDB, etc) need a place at the table.

Except Redis, and Mongo were making money. They had well valued, well earning SAAS offerings — it's just that the offerings integrated into existing cloud vendors would be more popular (because vendor lock in). They just wanted more money, and were hoping that by going proprietary, they could force customers away from the cloud offers to themselves, and massively increase their revenue.. They did not get that.

Another thing is that it's not "stealing" Mongo/Redis' when cloud vendors offer SAAS's of Mongo/Redis. Mongo/Redis, and their SAAS offerings, are only possible because the same cloud vendors put more money than Mongo/Redis make yearly into Linux and other software that powers the SAAS offerings of Mongo/Redis, like Kubernetes. Without that software, Mongo/Redis wouldn't have a SAAS offering at all.

I definitely think that it's bad when a piece of software doesn't get any funding it needs to develop, especially when it powers much more modern software, like XZ. But Mongo/Redis weren't suffering from a lack of funding at all. They're just mad they had to share their toys, and tried to take them away. But it didn't even matter in the end.

[–] EfreetSK@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Here we go!!! I was expecting the enshitification of this thing for past couple of years

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

It was explicitly said to not use this outside of VSCode, so, I'm not sure where the surprise comes from.

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[–] enemenemu@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It looks like the extension is licensed under MIT https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode-cpptools You can "simply" fork it and provide builds yourself, right?

[–] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago

Not the case. There are binary components.

It doesn't matter though because the Clangd & CodeLLDB extensions completely replace it and are actually waaaaaaay better.

With Microsoft's C++ extension it always rinsed the CPU - there were files I had to avoid opening because then it would analyse them and I'd have to kill it. The code intelligence also seemed very "heuristic" and was quite slow.

Clangd fixes all of that. It's fast, doesn't choke on huge files, and if you have compile_commands.json it's actually the first properly fast and robust C++ IDE I've ever used. You know if you've used a Java IDE the code intelligence just works and is fast and reliable. It's like that.

[–] throws_lemy@lemmy.nz 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

sounds like M$'s real face : Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish

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Maybe it's just me, but I never got that thing to work right anyway - with VSC. It keeps running amok and using up all the CPU time doing stuff it should not be doing, trying to analyze every single file in my VM every single time it is started.

So... good riddance.

[–] badmin@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Microsoft

C/C++ extension

VS Code

so sad 🎤 🎻😢

[–] nesc@lemmy.cafe 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Developers developers developers

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ballmer was definitely one of the CEOs of all time. I'm not convinced cocaine didn't play a large role in shaping Microsoft.

[–] spacecadet@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

But Seattle doesn’t do cocaine Remember Microsoft is on the east side

Okay…. Cocaine probably played a large part

Best cocaine in Puget Sound comes from Bellevue, prove me wrong

[–] chakli@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

If someone is looking for an alternative, use the clangd extension. It’s much better compared to the Microsoft one. LLDB extension is good for debugging. Also works with gdb.

The only things I am lacking now is the one for remote, python.

[–] mamotromico@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Oooh I’ll give it a try, wasn’t aware of it.

[–] cmrss2@aussie.zone 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

BasedPyright should have you covered on the Python end, the downside is you also need to install the PyPi package.

Have used it and it’s excellent, even has additional features over Pylance

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

They pulled the same thing with their widely used office format: base capabilities are standardised but most useful stuff is proprietary extension.

[–] thingsiplay@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good example why you don't want to use and rely on proprietary software (the extension is not 100% open source as I understand), if there are free (as in source code and license) alternatives.

[–] spacecadet@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A professor once told me “don’t trust ‘free software’ from a megacorp”, most important thing I learned in college.

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[–] wkk@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

https://open-vsx.org/extension/llvm-vs-code-extensions/vscode-clangd

Maybe not as feature complete but should be a good alternative

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