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[–] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (12 children)

7 out of 11 countries believe the end of the USSR harmed their countries rather than benefited them

Reflecting back on the breakup of the Soviet Union that happened 22 years ago next week, residents in seven out of 11 countries that were part of the union are more likely to believe its collapse harmed their countries than benefited them. Only Azerbaijanis, Kazakhstanis, and Turkmens are more likely to see benefit than harm from the breakup. Georgians are divided.

Hungary: 72% of Hungarians say they are worse off today economically than under communism

A remarkable 72% of Hungarians say that most people in their country are actually worse off today economically than they were under communism. Only 8% say most people in Hungary are better off, and 16% say things are about the same. In no other Central or Eastern European country surveyed did so many believe that economic life is worse now than during the communist era. This is the result of almost universal displeasure with the economy. Fully 94% describe the country's economy as bad, the highest level of economic discontent in the hard hit region of Central and Eastern Europe. Just 46% of Hungarians approve of their country's switch from a state-controlled economy to a market economy; 42% disapprove of the move away from communism. The public is even more negative toward Hungary's integration into Europe; 71% say their country has been weakened by the process.

Romania: 63% of the survey participants said their life was better during communism

The most incredible result was registered in a July 2010 IRES (Romanian Institute for Evaluation and Strategy) poll, according to which 41% of the respondents would have voted for Ceausescu, had he run for the position of president. And 63% of the survey participants said their life was better during communism, while only 23% attested that their life was worse then. Some 68% declared that communism was a good idea, just one that had been poorly applied.

Germany: more than half of former eastern Germans defend the GDR

Glorification of the German Democratic Republic is on the rise two decades after the Berlin Wall fell. Young people and the better off are among those rebuffing criticism of East Germany as an "illegitimate state." In a new poll, more than half of former eastern Germans defend the GDR.

28 percent of Czechs say they were better off under the Communist regime

Roughly 28 percent of Czechs say they were better off under the Communist regime, according to a poll conducted by the polling institute SC&C and released Sunday.

81% of Serbians believe they lived best in Yugoslavia

A poll shows that as many as 81 per cent of Serbians believe they lived best in the former Yugoslavia -”during the time of socialism”.

Majority of Russians

The majority of Russians polled in a 2016 study said they would prefer living under the old Soviet Union and would like to see the socialist system and the Soviet state restored.


The above memes are almost always made by Americans, whose brains are riddled with red scare brainworms and are completely devoid of any knowledge or understand of what the left thinks in Europe because Americans do not have a left.

[–] b3nsn0w@pricefield.org 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hungarian here. We had ten good years, then the same ruling class started to do the same shit they did back then but under a different name. But at least nowadays you can leave the country, which many do since -- the frequent attempts to do so were an important cultural touchstone here in the 45 years of soviet occupation.

Trust me, no one wants the same shit back, that's just a political talking point propping up Orbán's pro-russian bullshit.

[–] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Of course nobody wants the same shit, I don't want the same shit either, I know for sure that the hard left of mszp sit around where I am. Things can be so much better.

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[–] kepix@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

russian spy says what?

[–] huge_clock@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

These polls are really out of date. These numbers have since improved substantially in capitalism’s favour.

[–] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

These polls are really out of date. These numbers have since improved substantially in capitalism’s favour.

Feel free to give citations that are better than 2010-2016 lmao.

[–] huge_clock@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

According to the absolute majority of respondents (54%), the majority of Hungarians had a better life under the Kádár regime (pre-1990) than today

The Kádár regime was the communist government.

there were even more respondents (61%) who said that the conditions for individual financial prosperity were more favorable under the Kádár regime.

lol

It is also worth noting that almost two-thirds of Hungarians (63%) said that there was predictable order and social peace under the Kádár regime

lmao

I like this research. Thanks for sharing.

EDIT:

The older an age group, the higher the proportion was of those who agreed that the majority lived better before the regime change. A significant correlation can be observed when looking at the educational background: citizens with lower education tend to believe that most Hungarians lived better under Kádár. Among the lowest qualified citizens, 62 and 27 percent are the share of the two sides, but even according to the relative majority of graduates (45%), most Hungarians lived better before 1990 than today.

So the older the Hungarian the more likely they are to believe that things were better under communism. So the people that actually lived in communism support it even more. Oh and the more educated people are the more likely they are to support that position too. I think the age thing will explain why the stat is slipping over time, the people that actually lived in communism are the people that support it more, and as they are dying they are being removed from the data.

[–] PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Another hungarian here. Definitely before 1989 Hungary was probably known for having one of the best living conditions under the USSR's sphere. It went pretty good in terms of spending power (heavy censorship in media if not aligned with the regime's view, forced labor, government spying agents everywhere, couldn't talk about 1956, etc.) until the 70's when Kádár (the dictator of the country) realized that he can't keep up these living standards, except if he takes up debt. So he literally taken up debt to keep up this facade, which really hit to us when we replaced the regime, and since the people have been so used to this kind of populist leadership type, they have chosen Orbán (current president) several times, despite the horrendous amounts of corruption, stomping freedom of speech, fearmongering, spying on opponents phones etc, just because he is really good at continuing the populist ideology which Kádár has done.

EDIT: I'm not saying capitalism is good, I rather support a hybrid model which the EU does currently. Too much state intervention is bad, and too much freedom for corpos are also bad too. In my case my government happily accepts building factories in this country which 100% is better for agriculture, and these corpos doesn't have to pay much tax, can overtime workers and only pay them like 4 years later (yes this is legal).

[–] Wrrzag@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

The EU doesn't do any hybrid model. Social democracy is still capitalism, being less shitty than the US doesn't make the EU any less capitalist.

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[–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

The US political spectrum is leaning so far to the right. A US left is a France center or moderate right. So what Americans consider communism is merely what French consider moderate leftist.

  • I’m French living in the US
[–] Upgrade2754@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Making this meme took longer than opening a book to understand what communism actually is.

What everyone points to as "communism" shares more in common with capitalism than anything else. They had authoritarian rulers and a small wealthy class that lords over the rest of the populace.

There is nothing "worker owned" about these examples and it only serves to spread FUD about moving away from capitalism towards a more human centric economy

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[–] nautilus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

McCarthy propaganda go brrrr

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] BRINGit34@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Based comrade

[–] CAPSLOCKFTW@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

There were no actual efforts to establish communism in eastern europe. Only autocratic regimes backed by soviet russia.

[–] sizeoftheuniverse@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

And here comes the guy who thinks he can do it better, this time without mass killings.

[–] kilinrax@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Hey, I can think what happened in Eastern Europe was just authoritarian dictatorships, backed by Muscovite colonialism & branded as communism just the same as what happened in parts of South America was just authoritarian dictatorship, backed by American imperialism & branded as laissez-faire capitalism.

Also I can think communism has never actually been tried, and that it’s functionally impossible (therefore people should stop advocating for it).

[–] dub@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'm no too learned in the subject but what would "true" communism even look like on the large scale like a country? Would it even be feasible?

[–] IDriveWhileTired@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Well, it is feasible. You just need to give people replicators and free living space, and they will eventually learn to use their skills to enrich the world we live in. And boldly go where no one has gone before.

[–] Atheran@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

True communism in a country is impossible.

You can have socialism, or anarchy, which we've seen before, but communism cannot function in one country alone, unless said country is completely and absolutely self reliant.

A major part of communism is internationalism, which is why socialist countries had the Comintern. (Communist International). Besides a political/social system, communism has a strong basis as an economic system. You can't apply communist economic system principles to the capitalist market.

To my knowledge, no existing country is self reliant to the point that they can completely cut off trade with the rest of the world. USSR didn't do it, China didn't do it and they were the two biggest countries at the time.

That, of course is all a very surface level ELI5, and if you want to ask something more specific or in depth, feel free to.

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[–] CthulhuOnIce@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (11 children)

comment section frustratingly filled with McCarthy-brained liberals who have never critically examined their preconceptions about communism

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[–] hare_ware@pawb.social 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Didn't the USSR just do state capitalism, and not actual communism or socialism? And weren't they also totalitarian & also not a democracy? Are people actually asking for what was happening in astern Europe or something else?

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