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[–] lunarul@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

More pixels:

Rope and anchor much easier to see here.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm so pleased to discover he's smart

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"smart" being a relative term here...

[–] kn33@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah. Rope and anchor mean that falling isn't guaranteed death. I still wish he'd have a helmet, though.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, my thoughts go more towards a slip and fall and smashing into the side of the mountain rather than a slip and fall to the bottom.

I trust the rope and anchors to keep his body in the air.

He apparently trusts his body to do the rest.

[–] Bee_R@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Usually climbers who do lead climbing have a lot of experience indoors and on safer routes before moving onto ones like "El Capitan", so their reflexes are properly trained.

Also a lot of the impact is absorbed by the belayer and by your feet. The way your center of mass is situated and the fact that you're almost always facing the wall helps guide you feet first. There is a limited distance between the points where you clip in, so the distance isn't too big.

The only injury I ever got while lead roping* is a strained finger, so its not as dangerous as it seems If you have proper training and user the proper equipment.

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

On less than vertical terrain like this, you don't smash into the wall so much as skid down it. On easier routes, this can be more dangerous, since there can be more ledges to hit. But on this route, there are very few features on the wall at all, so the danger is small. Also, with pro so close, total fall distance would be minimal, further decreasing the odds of hitting something.

On steeper terrain, falls are even safer - assuming you are given a proper belay. With a good belay, you simply fall into empty space with nothing at all to hit. But with an inexperienced and nervous belayer, they might take in slack when you are falling, which is bad, since it turns the rope into a pendulum, resulting in you "spiking" the wall with significant force. Another danger is getting your foot tangled up in front of the lead line, causing the rope to flip you upside down when it comes taught, which has a significant chance of putting your head where you don't want it to be.

Adam Ondra has been climbing since he was a kid and has likely taken many thousands of lead falls over the years. His belayer is someone with lots of experience who he knows and trusts. If he thinks the helmet is unnecessary, I'm inclined to trust him to make his own judgements about safety.

[–] SchwertImStein@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, one of the best climbers in the world is not 'smart' when climbing with the proper security setup.

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

one of the "best climbers" just means "hasn't yet had a catastrophe". even 'with precautions' one mistake and it'd hurt like hell getting smacked and scraped against the front of that rock face, while flailing and trying to control the situation, recover...

its kinda like jumping out of a plane with a parachute. yeah sure 'precautions' but you're still deciding 'yes I should leave a perfectly capable vehicle to plunge towards the earth with comparatively minimal control over the situation'. and in both situations, your safety gear isn't guaranteed...

so yes, very "smart" indeed

[–] Pnut@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm actually glad for that. I thought he was free climbing and it made me nervous.

[–] vxx@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think the only climber that did it free solo is Alex Honnold. He took a less deadly route I believe. The documentation is fear inducing though.

[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As a long time climber, watching that documentary is really gripping/terrifying. The bit at the end when he says what it was like walking over the top; no one noticing what he had done, because he didn't have ropes and a harness etc...wow.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

I think I saw that one, it ends with him being like, "well, I should go practice climbing more!" and the other climbers just look at each other

[–] CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

He is free climbing. He’s not using things like a ladder to climb.

He’s not free soloing, which is done without a rope.

There’s also rope soloing where you use a rope but you don’t have a belayer and have to catch yourself on falls.

[–] guber@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

FYI he DOES have a rope in this image, but a guy called Alex Honnold went and free soloed (no protective gear) El Capitan anyway after the fact.

[–] Zugyuk@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Wiz@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

I though this was the "Mildly terrifying" forum for a sec.

[–] ABC123itsEASY@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Fyi Adam is free climbing here but not free soloing; there's a big difference. The rope in this photo has either been edited out or is hard to see. Free climbing means climbing without aid, like ladders or ascenders attached to the rope. If youve climed at your local gym, you have free climed.

Edit: it's just hard to see but it's there. It's yellow and coming down beneath him.

[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How do you climb a MacBook?

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Command + Climb. Be careful, AppleCare doesn't cover vertical ascents.

[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

What about rapid unplanned vertical descent?

[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I watched a video about a person with a rare condition that makes him not have a fear response and now, everytime I see people doing stupid shit like this, I think "bet it's not so fucking rare"

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't be do quick to judge: He's secured by a rope that passes through a series of bolts that are drilled into solid granite. You could lift a car with the gear he's using to secure himself.

You're less in control of your fate when passing someone on the highway than he is here. The only way he dies in this situation is first slipping off (first layer of protection is your hands and feet), and then having several layers of ridiculously redundant protection fail.

[–] ABC123itsEASY@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Belaying a lead climber is much less straightforward than belaying a top roper, so that's all true assuming he has an excellent belayer, which I'm sure Adam does. That being said mistakes still happen; just look at Sara Al Qunaibet's recentish fall. Alex Honnold was also dropped by his (at the time) girlfriend and suffered injury. He was lucky to be on the first pitch of a multi pitch climb at the time.

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's absolutely true that human error can occur, and it does happen sometimes. Of course, nobody is doing big-wall climbing with a grigri (although in Sara Al Qunaibets case there was even a grigri that the coach was able to misuse...). I still feel safer taking a fall with a belayer I trust than I do driving behind some stranger that's driving erratically. The most dangerous part of any climb on pre-bolted route is likely the drive to the crag.

[–] ABC123itsEASY@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Totally agree. Feeding through a Grigri in order to lead belay necessitates disabling the autolockimg behavior of the device and creates an opportunity for a fall to the ground if the climber loses it unexpectedly. Belaying with an ATC still isn't a replacement for vigilance, though. Catching a lead fall with minimal fall distance requires a combination of constant attention, deep understanding of the route, its cruxes, and your climber, anticipation of the fall based on your observation of the climber, and bulletproof mechanical memory of the process. Even still, runout is a thing on many routes. I would add on to your statement; the most dangerous part may be the drive to the crag (or perhaps, a scramble approach) but the second most dangerous part may well be the climb to the first draw.

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Lol, wtf. Giving a non-lethal lead belay is not that intense. Literally all you have to do is keep your hand on the brake strand. To give a good belay, you need to pay a lot of attention to your climber so you don't short rope them and can give them buttery soft catches. But making sure your climber doesn't die consists entirely of "don't let go of the brake strand" - and that's pretty much it.

Yes, there are other things to do. Yes, you should always strive to be an excellent belayer. But pretty much everything you need to know and learn can be taught in a single day at the crag by a reasonably competent instructor. And after that, the main thing is to just not get complacent and do stupid shit.

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Of course, nobody is doing big-wall climbing with a grigri

What are you talking about? Pretty much everyone on big walls is carrying a gri. In addition to giving lead belays, they are more pleasant to use for top down belays, and can be useful for hauling, juggin, lowering out, rappelling, or any number of other big wall chores. Yes, they are relatively heavy, but so is the number six you are lugging up the face so you can place it once on the scary offwidth pitch.

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ok, sounds like this is my inexperience showing: I've only ever been on multi-pitches where we used half-ropes, so we we use what's called a "hylsebrems" in Norwegian (the standard friction break with two holes). Regarding hauling equipment, that's not very common here, we climb with a backpack if we need one. I've heard that hauling equipment is much more common in the US though.

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It sounds like you are doing alpine multipitches, which are a different discipline from big walls.

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I guess that sounds like a better description, I've never really considered that there's a significant difference between the two. Happy to learn :)

[–] SassyRamen@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A what point does it change from unique hobby to death wish?

[–] shoo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://brainasap.com/adrenaline-addiction-rock-climbers-thrill-seeking-behavior/

I'm all for letting people have the hobbies they want, but adrenaline junkies are literally wired differently. Kind of weird that they get put on a pedestal for being the "right" kind of neurodivergent.

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Halfway through reading this I realized I'm addicted to mountain biking lmao

[–] moody@lemmings.world 0 points 1 year ago

It's hard to see from the shrunken picture, but he has a rope to catch him if he falls. The likelihood of an injury is very low.

[–] mienshao@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

I will never ever ever be impressed by this shit. All I see is a very stupid person taking an unnecessary risk for clout.