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What statement about transgender people are we talking about?

Lemmy.today maybe too

I never really liked his ideas, trans-related or not, but why the hell was he saying all of that just for a (presumably) message about a Firefox plugin???????

This looks like a fight trying to be picked, not something to defederate over.

Admin Ping for @ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone to weigh in on this issue with her thoughts and opinions on the matter.

Yes. There should be no handwringing over this. If admins/mods for an instance are bigoted, fash, or other such things then they deserve to get defederated as they will allow many bad things and spread their hate. It is best to isolate them as they want to spread their hate and convert more people, that's their entire goal.

Personally, I don't think his shitty views necessarily translate into .ml moderation policy and action, which to me would be the problem that defederation is meant to solve.

That said, I wouldn't mind defed-ing from them in general, as most of my unpleasant interactions in the fediverse have been with .ml users.

Ultimately, I'll back Ada on what she thinks and decides. She's very level headed and strict with other instances as far as blahaj zones mission statement is concerned, and I trust her completely.

I'd really hate to lose !linux@lemmy.ml honestly, it's the largest community for Linux stuff, and a big part of what I spend my time on Lemmy doing. While the stuff Nutomic has said is awful, I'd also really like to see instances of moderation on lemmy.ml that are problematic/transphobic before making the call to defederate.

Defederate, and I would have said the same if you asked me yesterday.

I'm not on my blahaj account, but I can copy/paste there if you'd prefer. Just seemed pointless when I use the same user name to switch over.

But I'm mainly giving some background to the whole matter, rather than primarily "voting" about defederation.

It's interesting that nutomic wants to get all het up after asking for donations to lemmy development.

That's largely why they've been so active in comments lately. They can't seem to keep from expecting people to pay them as individuals the develop lemmy, while also not being willing to at least be clear about where they stand.

And that's what the donation requests are about. They're not bringing in enough to develop full time. And that's an important thing, having full time developers on a project like this. What they don't seem to get is that they're not just asking us to pay for full time developers, they're asking us to pay them. They aren't figureheads or managers, so it isn't some kind of collective where you can point to other members of the dev team and say "well, maybe those two are unpleasant, but at least the rest aren't bigoted"

Which, afaik, dessalines has never publicly been bigoted. He can be a smug asshole sometimes, but so can I, so there's only so much complaining I can do there. But nutomic is a different issue, and this screen shot perfectly encapsulates how.

Donations would go into both of their pockets for their work, and they do deserve to be paid for that. Even jerks get to make a living. But we all get the choice as to whether or not we're a customer or not. Me? My double digit yearly open source budget is going to people that at least have the sense to have never shot their mouths off with bigoted bullshit. Lemmy is an amazing thing, and the world needs it. I just can't directly support a bigot. I can't, and won't do it.

I wouldn't hire on someone to fix my roof if they had a damn maga hat on, why would I give money to someone that is not only just as much of a bigot, but is also hyper authoritarian? I know hiring someone vs contributing to a project isn't a 1:1 equivalency, but the principle is.

Donations to then also fund .ml. And if anyone wants to donate like that, it's none of my business. It's just important that it be known that you can't donate granularly. You donate, .ml gets some operating costs covered, dessalines gets a chunk, and nutomic gets a chunk.

And that's where this comes from. The discussion in the screen shot is fallout from that. Nutomic still holds the same views they always have, but wants people to ignore that when donating. Which is fine!

As far as defederation goes, all I can say is that, while I have had unpleasant runins with both of them, I've never been permanently banned from .ml, or any of its communities. Individual communities there can, and do, enforce anti-bigotry rules with no interference from admins. But, there are no specific instance rules regarding transphobia in particular.

Again, this is pretty much just added background for anyone that hasn't the time to go digging for the context of the screen shots.

Lemmy.ml doesn't tolerate transphobia regardless of nutomic's views and probably has a bigger trans userbase than even blahaj. Stop stirring drama.

Did you contact their mods or admins? They should have an opportunity to administer appropriate action first. Then, if they are ok with this bullshit, de-fed.

Meanwhile, may I endorse a cool shirt that people might want to wear this summer:

https://www.punkwithacamera.com/products/chaos-marine-trans-people-existing-does-nothing-negative-to-your-life-you-cry-baby-bitch-40k-gutter-press?_pos=3&_sid=9fae89d95&_ss=r

Other reasons here as well to consider defederation

Would be so good to see

give away for free

I'm assuming this is under one of the several threads soliciting donations? Just because it doesn't require payment to use doesn't absolve them of any problems people might have that would keep them from handing over money in other capacities.

lemmy devs being bigoted it's more likely than it think

i really wish there was a valid lemmy alternative software or wish postmill implemented atproto or ap :(

Migrate to piefed. Donate to piefed.

This shit ends when the problematic and cringe Lemmy devs lose the power of owning the platform. There are other mature activitypub projects, and literally all we need to do is support them.

Personally, I have a very poor opinion of nutomic. And yes, he has always been/felt transphobic. He has a history of making massive oversteps to attack people that have differing opinions to his, and overall I believe him to be a threat to the trans community. As for whether we should defederate? I really have no clue. It certainly isn't a bastion for blatant transphobia, and hosts many of the top Lemmy communities, and a very large amount of the active Lemmy userbase. I think the effects of defederation would be immense, and take a lot of time and consideration to understand if it's overall beneficial to the community. That being said, I'm sure I could be swayed to support either side. I'd be very curious what Ada has to say about this, as I believe I'll support her opinion on the matter.