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Language is always changing. At one point 'an apron' was 'a napron' while words like 'literally' are no longer literally literal. What are some language battles that have been lost in living memory and what are some others you predict will soon occur?

Edit: Non-english examples very welcome!

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[–] _deleted_@aussie.zone 40 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

“Decimating” no longer means killing ten percent as the Romans did; now it is used to mean the killing of a majority, so it’s close to the opposite of its original meaning.

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I thought decimating meant reducing to a tenth, as in removing 90%?

[–] Prime@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 2 weeks ago

No. It meant killing every tenth soldier in a line

[–] Klear@piefed.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The meaning is derived from the brutality of the act, not the proportion of people killed.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

You're being downvoted, but I suspect you're actually correct. A note about the act of decimation: it wasn't just killing every tenth soldier. It was that the other nine soldiers were forced to kill the tenth. It was an absolutely brutal act where soldiers were forced to kill their friends and comrades.

It makes sense that saying an act is as brutal as decimation would then come to replace the word itself over time. That happens pretty frequently in language evolution.

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[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The "deci" prefix is just a coincidence then?

[–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago

More like a vague gesture, which, in idiom chock-full of metonymy, is legitimate.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

We were always supposed to put punctuation inside quotation marks; however, now it seems to be the user's choice of inside or outside. And I have to admit that most of the time when I’m using quotes, it seems more logical to me to place the punctuation outside of them.

[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago

We were always supposed to put punctuation inside quotation marks;

Isn't this a US English thing? In India we were taught to close them like brackets - i.e., the one that opened last closes first. So

'Don't wait. I will come later.'

But

He said 'I will come later'.

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[–] LeftReddit2@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

Loose and lose might as well be the same word these days. Drives me up a damn wall.

That and "POV" doesn't mean what it used to mean anymore. Also drives me up a wall.

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Is it not "point of view"?

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[–] CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (10 children)

Australian English language is now largely Americanised, a process that started in the post-war era is now mostly complete.

  • Terms such as 'gaol' have been widely replaced by 'jail'.
  • 'Programme' is mostly replaced by 'program'.
  • A 'car bonnet' is likely to be called a 'hood'.
  • 'Play lunch' is mostly replaced with 'recess'.
  • 'Pusher' is mostly called a 'pram'
  • 'Lacker band' is now mostly just 'rubber band'.
  • 'Boomer' no longer means kangaroo, but instead 'Old person.'

I'm not really bothered by it or anything, but it's been interesting to see it shift even over my lifetime.

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 weeks ago

I'd say pram is still pretty British ("I have to push the pram-a-lot!") in the US it would be almost definitely stroller.

[–] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Americans don't use pram though, we say stroller

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[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 weeks ago

Elden Ring is trying to bring the spelling back to "gaol."

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Literally is still understood, it just gets misused.

Going in a bit of a different direction, emojis and things like /s are well understood now, which is an addition.

[–] Dagobah@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I wonder if some day in the future emojis will make their way from casual conversation into business? I guess I already use things like 👍 in semi formal work chats - it's especially useful as a way of ensuring a message isn't read sarcastically or passive aggressively. LLMs seem more than happy to plop an emoji or two into a document.

Speaking of AI I'm already noticing that poor spelling, slang and the like are almost signifiers of a human. I wonder if ways of talking that distinguish us from AI will become more common or more valuable?

[–] vk8kv@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

In my country, a lot of my peers (me too) use stickers (the cute ones) in in-company-chats usually with people we know like colleagues and managers

So I assume emojis are also done?

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[–] the_abecedarian@piefed.social 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

"begging the question". it's not the same as "bringing up a question", it means assuming your conclusion is true in the course of an argument

[–] lukecooperatus@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

To be fair, that original meaning is illogical (as in, the meaning doesn't follow from the literal words used), so it's not surprising that people misused it to have a more logical meaning.

[–] the_abecedarian@piefed.social 5 points 2 weeks ago

(wiki says) it comes from Greek to Latin to English in the 16th century, so I'm sure it suffers a bit in modern transfusion.

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[–] lukecooperatus@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I suppose the word "boomer" has changed meaning very quickly. It rarely gets used anymore to refer to actual boomers (people born just after WW2) and instead now can refer either vaguely to anyone older than 30, or anyone with an antiquated/problematic notion of social norms.

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[–] CuddlyCassowary@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I miss double spaces after periods.

[–] Diddlydee@feddit.uk 11 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

We were taught single space in the mid 90s, so that can't be too recent.

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[–] Dagobah@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

LUXURY!BACKINMYDAYWEDIDNTHAVESPACES.DONTGETMESTARTEDONTHISLOWERCASENONSENSE

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

We…don’t do this anymore? I can’t even recall what I’ve been doing for this for the last 20 years.

[–] Jentu@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago

Our browser is going to fingerprint us through this habit and we're going to get served knee replacement ads because of it.

[–] CandleTiger@programming.dev 5 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Autocorrect on Microsoft products turns double-space into single space by default. Gotta turn that shit of every time, it’s very frustrating.

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[–] RavuAlHemio@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

From my perspective, literally being used for emphasis does not actually change its meaning, it’s simply hyperbole.

If you complain that you’ve been “waiting for hours”, even though it’s been 45 minutes, that doesn’t change the meaning of “hours”, you’re just exaggerating.

Hyperbole is a stylistic element; style is a completely different level of language than grammar/spelling/semantics (word meanings). As another example of style, ending a sentence with a preposition is grammatically correct but stylistically not recommended.

[–] _deleted_@aussie.zone 11 points 2 weeks ago

“I’ve told you a million times, don’t exaggerate”

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[–] imsufferableninja@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Presently used to mean "soon" or "in a bit" but now means "happening right now"

The meaning of bemused is similar to "befuddled", but it's more often used as if it means "amused"

It used to be a firm rule that you mustn't end a sentence in a proposition.

[–] the_abecedarian@piefed.social 10 points 2 weeks ago

"This is the sort of bloody nonsense up with which I will not put." - attributed to Churchill

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[–] NathanDerWeise@feddit.org 8 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

While not totally gone, German's genitive case (which is used to show ownership) is becoming less and less common. They have both the genetive case as well as their equivalent of " 's " - which is just "s," if you're wondering. Example:

Der Herr der Ringe.

The Lord of the Rings. It would normally be "die Ringe," but it becomes "der" in the genetive case.

Another transition in German is that the "formal you" is being used less and less frequently. I understand this is the case for a few other European languages as well.

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[–] JoseALerma@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Pour one out for the Oxford Comma .

Let's eat Grandma

Commas save lives!

[–] HamsterRage@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Us that technically a missing Oxford comma, or just a missing comma?

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[–] Diddlydee@feddit.uk 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

People using then instead of than. I never saw that 30 years ago.

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[–] chunes@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

People no longer double-space after sentences.  No one cares that further compares metaphorical distance and farther compares physical distance.  Most people seem to think that joining two independent clauses with a comma (a comma splice) is just fine.  Things are now done on accident instead of by accident.  Compute used to be something you did; now, it's something you rent.  People seem to have given up on less being used for uncountable things and fewer for countable things.  Now they just use less for everything.  People these days are enamored 'by' something instead of with it (or of it, for our British friends).

[–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago

Ain't ain't a word.

It is now.

[–] the_abecedarian@piefed.social 6 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

also i fear that "comfort" is losing the battle to "comfortability"

[–] Dagobah@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

That makes me very uncomfortabilityable

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[–] KaChilde@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

“Casted”

The past-tense of cast is cast. “The fisherman cast their line into the river.” “The actor was cast in the leading role.”

Casted makes you sound like a child.

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[–] Ydna@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Ending sentences with propositions, and getting them jumbled around. My work does it in their advertisements and i cry every time.

"See what classes you can register for." Or modifying it to be worse; "see what classes you can register for fast"

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[–] laranis@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not exactly what you're asking, but double spaces after ends of sentences.

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[–] likebudda@reddthat.com 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Apple put the nail in the coffin for adverbs when "Think different" let illiterates think they were speaking correctly.

[–] tomenzgg@midwest.social 5 points 2 weeks ago

*speaking correct

.I'm so sorry; I couldn't help myself

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